Like, you can have a good finale without any major character deaths, but no one even suffered like…lasting consequences?
I've read some good finales with no major character deaths that are still satisfying since there's a shift in the status quo, but I didn't feel like that happened in HoO.
wasn't hazel actually like thirteen when they got together?
Ew maybe, it's been a while since I read them
wasn't hazel actually like thirteen when they got together?
Ew maybe, it's been a while since I read them
Fourteen, I looked it up
Also what made the series so good in the first place was Percy's narration style, so much of the personality of the original series was gone with the third person POV. Although I do love the scene where Percy and Annabeth are in Tartarus and facing the consequences of their actions via the dying curses.
I feel like he could've gone in more depth with the "demigods usually have ADHD" because it kind of felt like he didn't do much beyond "they move and do bad at staying in school". It's not really something I noticed as a kid, but knowing more about it now, he didn't really include stuff like RSD. I get that it's not a contemporary story about getting diagnosed or something and it's not the main focus, but imo it shouldn't be that hard to include that stuff especially since you're writing it with your kid in mind. Even just some "dam do they really like me o no help" moments in the slower moments would have been nice and iirc there weren't any
Not to overuse the word "also" but the fact that Rick was balancing 7 leads meant that none of the side characters really got any page-time, unlike in PJO or HP where yes, the leads don't die but you still lose side characters that you got to know. Silena's death was super well-done, and she was a minor character that we liked and sympathized with.
YES. I have ADD and like…looking back, the Demigods only really had token ADHD, with honestly pretty minimal side effects
YES. I have ADD and like…looking back, the Demigods only really had token ADHD, with honestly pretty minimal side effects
Which is surprising, given that RR's son's ADHD was the inspiration
Although I really enjoyed how it shows that having dyslexia doesn't make you inherently dumb, since I see that trope too much.
I think Rick's ideas were good but at the end of the day, there was just way too much for one sequel series
I think Rick's ideas were good but at the end of the day, there was just way too much for one sequel series
Yeah, basically. It felt like he was trying really hard to do something bigger and badder than the Titans for villains, but the Giants never seemed like (or ended up being) as much of a threat as the Titans did.
YES. I have ADD and like…looking back, the Demigods only really had token ADHD, with honestly pretty minimal side effects
I feel like it was at least a little less minimal with their dyslexia because at least there were moments when Percy was like "wait. I can't read. I forgot you can't read that. WHO'S GONNA READ THIS" even though it was over something insignificant and Grover was right there. And the whole "they're dyslexic because they're wired to read Greek" was weird but ig it kind of made a little sense But….shouldn't you put some effort into including negative aspects that people feel when they have these things, especially since you're writing so your son can see himself in your characters? You can do that and not bog down the story.
YES. I have ADD and like…looking back, the Demigods only really had token ADHD, with honestly pretty minimal side effects
I feel like it was at least a little less minimal with their dyslexia because at least there were moments when Percy was like "wait. I can't read. I forgot you can't read that. WHO'S GONNA READ THIS" even though it was over something insignificant and Grover was right there.
And the whole "they're dyslexic because they're wired to read Greek" was weird but ig it kind of made a little senseBut….shouldn't you put some effort into including negative aspects that people feel when they have these things, especially since you're writing so your son can see himself in your characters? You can do that and not bog down the story.
Yeah definitely
I get that it's a fun adventure kids book so he probably didn't want to bog everything down with heavy mental health stuff (plus mental health books weren't really as big back then) but it would've been nice.
Mmmm still in the car
taking notes for my current project that has six leads and some wide characters, and a future project that has roughly sixteen leads? I think? fuck I lost count
folks has anyone ever read 17776? i just basically finished it in 12 hours and oh my god. truly one of the most impactful pieces of media i've ever consumed. "three sentient satellites watch people play football for eternity" doesn't sound like something that would interest me let alone both soothe + exacerbate my ongoing existential crisis but good lord wow
I thought Rick Riordan represented ADHD really well. And the reason he made it ADHD instead of ADD is because it was the demigods nautral instincts to want to battle, so it was the more physical one instead of the more mental one. Rick Riordan is a really good person and he clearly cared alot about making kids feel welcomed and included, even if he doesn't do a perfect job. Being a more popular series doesn't make it worse, just that people nitpick it more.
nobody said it was worse. a large handful of us have adhd/add, which he actually I believe said are both found in demigods. people have done much worse representing it, but those who have the disorder are allowed to mention that it could have been shown better
I loved the series. I loved seeing heroes I had something in common with. but looking back I also know that it wasnt shown, just mentioned
also as hard as he tries, he isn't great at actual representation sometimes. he needs to research more
as someone who grew up Muslim I kinda have a problem with Samirah's whole arranged marriage thing
and a lot of his characters are just, cliche in a not good way
taking notes for my current project that has six leads and some side characters, and a future project that has roughly sixteen leads? I think? fuck I lost count
Okay, SO
Regarding the second half of my statement, this is what I could remember off the top of my head:
Mains:
Cinthia (Main Main)
Tess
Wulfric
Junia
Jamir
Nikolas/Alexis
Koralia
Kiriti
Fenris
Magnus
Rhydar
Carden
Archer
Rae
Tamaki
Demitri
Sides, all ranging in importance:
The Oracle / Creation
The King / Time
Aurae
The Isic Empress
The Nazek Empress
The Nightwalkers (roughly around ten?)
Damon
Drucilla
Couple of demons
Ireus
Dyhenna
Arachne
Antags:
Bunch o' generals and armies of mindless solders (minors)
Kali (main)
Kiran (redemption arc)
Ketu (second-ish main)
Chaos (Big Bad)
but I still really appreciate him for what he has done and I love PJO so much. there's just always more steps
also as hard as he tries, he isn't great at actual representation sometimes. he needs to research more
as someone who grew up Muslim I kinda have a problem with Samirah's whole arranged marriage thing
and a lot of his characters are just, cliche in a not good way
admittedly I dont know too much about muslims, I did have a Muslim character but I did my best to research and ask people about certain things
can I ask what was off about her arranged marriage?
nobody said it was worse. a large handful of us have adhd/add, which he actually I believe said are both found in demigods. people have done much worse representing it, but those who have the disorder are allowed to mention that it could have been shown better
I have it too, I'm not just being ignorant. The fact that it was even included made me really happy, that's all.
also as hard as he tries, he isn't great at actual representation sometimes. he needs to research more
as someone who grew up Muslim I kinda have a problem with Samirah's whole arranged marriage thing
and a lot of his characters are just, cliche in a not good wayadmittedly I dont know too much about muslims, I did have a Muslim character but I did my best to research and ask people about certain things
can I ask what was off about her arranged marriage?
arranged marriages aren't uncommon in a lot of cultures but it's more of a cultural thing rather than just religious. and hers was arranged when she was 12 which is Not okay. it's not a thing to have a marriage arranged that young. (even if she did like him at that age)
and it's been a while since I've read Magnus but it was justified by her being a bastard child and having an arranged marriage was like a way to give her more worth in her community
and traditional communities may or may not be like that, won't deny that part, but using that as representation isn't great
Is it bad to like Rick Riordan, Veronica Roth, or JK Rowling? I loved Divergent, HP, PJaTO AND HOO, and I have ADHD but Rick Riordan's books are really important to me and all those books have helped me cope with my depression and everything. I feel like they all get nitpicked for being popular way more than other books that deserve it more. Everything is problematic if you look close enough but all of those books are obviously really good. I don't like that JK Rowling is a terf and all but also it's not like Harry Potter is a terf, and also Slytherin wasn't all bad and it was bad she made it that way, I have friends who are slytherins, but being that ambitious can be dangerous and probably makes them more likely to be evil than another house and they're also kind of overrun by evil families just because you're more likely to be in the same house as your families.
Stop pretending we're attacking you. Literally none of us care what books you like and it's self-indulgent, self-absorbed, and annoying as fuck when you victimize yourself.
Stop pretending we're attacking you. Literally none of us care what books you like and it's self-indulgent, self-absorbed, and annoying as fuck when you victimize yourself.
I'm not pretending you're attacking me at all? Stop pretending I'm pretending you're attacking me. I'm just saying some of these books are really good and you're nitpicking books that were made with good intentions.
deep inhale being ambitious doesn't fucking make you evil or give you a greater likelihood of it. That's not how evil or ambition works. Evil people often are ambitious, yes, but there are just as many good people who are ambitious. Is it evil of my to have ambitions to be a great author? Is it evil that I want to be in charge of something? Is it evil to want to be independent? No. It isn't. Don't spout bullshit about how being ambitious makes you more likely to be evil
jfc, kiddo thinks that every ambitious person is automatically Lady M*cbeth :/