forum The Roodeness Shenanigans

Started May 27, 2020 by Deleted user

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Okay, the divergent movies get a lot of well-deservedhate and poking at plotholes but something I never see talked about is

Ha, I'm Candor!

when i was younger i wanted to be in dauntless

then i grew up and now i'd probably be killed at my test. too much of everything lmao.

I'm in the car on the way to the beach
Mmmmmmm

Also can we just acknowledge that all of the factions are just like…straight-up cults?? Like say what you will about the Hogwarts houses but at least Hufflepuff isn't drugging the water to keep everyone calm, and Gryffindor isn't forcing people into near-death situations (besides usual school shenanigans)
Also the way Erudite is handled is really weird to me, but I can't quite put my finger on why

The Candor test is lowkey horrifying, like you get drugged up on truth serum and asked questions by everyone? Maybe it's just because I'm closeted but that's terrifying and I hate it. I mean we all know that Roth didn't consider that bc she buries her gays but-

I hate the idea of the Candor test, I have so many things that I don't want people knowing, you know?

which one's erudite again?

And keeping something secret really isn't being dishonest? Like I consider myself Candor because I have barely any filter, but I guard my secrets very well and I don't see that as dishonesty, just protection.

I hate the idea of the Candor test, I have so many things that I don't want people knowing, you know?

unfortunately i'm so bad at keeping my own secrets that they would literally just have to get me talking long enough and my brain to mouth filter wouldn't fucking exist anymore. they'd be drugging me to shut up

which one's erudite again?

The smart ones that are repeatedly villainized waaaay more than any other faction

which one's erudite again?

The smart ones that are repeatedly villainized waaaay more than any other faction

was erudite literally just….the smart faction? cause all the other's were based on personality traits/moral things and i remember nothing about erudite at all, which may be the root of the problem with the writing…

I hate the idea of the Candor test, I have so many things that I don't want people knowing, you know?

unfortunately i'm so bad at keeping my own secrets that they would literally just have to get me talking long enough and my brain to mouth filter wouldn't fucking exist anymore. they'd be drugging me to shut up

I mean, that's true, too
They'll start by asking me about, idk pets or something, then 10 minutes later I'll be going on about every other faction and listing all my other experiences

which one's erudite again?

The smart ones that are repeatedly villainized waaaay more than any other faction

was erudite literally just….the smart faction? cause all the other's were based on personality traits/moral things and i remember nothing about erudite at all, which may be the root of the problem with the writing…

They're basically Ravenclaw but dystopian, villainized and stripped of all emotion

which one's erudite again?

The smart ones that are repeatedly villainized waaaay more than any other faction

was erudite literally just….the smart faction? cause all the other's were based on personality traits/moral things and i remember nothing about erudite at all, which may be the root of the problem with the writing…

Yeah, they're Smart and do Research
I mean I guess on some higher level it's about valuing self-education and the pursuit of knowledge (which makes the demonization even weirder) but it's not really ever presented like that.
Contrast to Ravenclaw, which has intellectualism, creativity, and wit as opposed to just book smarts

they lead it off with like 'why did your father leave' and next thing they know i'm going on and on about how generation after generation are breeding bad fathers and then i'm talking about camping and then my favorite foods and by the time i actually reach anything they'd want to know, they're like 'okay ykno what never mind have fun please leave'

they lead it off with like 'why did your father leave' and next thing they know i'm going on and on about how generation after generation are breeding bad fathers and then i'm talking about camping and then my favorite foods and by the time i actually reach anything they'd want to know, they're like 'okay ykno what never mind have fun please leave'

I can barely answer a question without jumping into some explanation or anecdote anyways lmao, imaging that on drugs is wild

Yeah, they're Smart and do Research
I mean I guess on some higher level it's about valuing self-education and the pursuit of knowledge (which makes the demonization even weirder) but it's not really ever presented like that.
Contrast to Ravenclaw, which has intellectualism, creativity, and wit as opposed to just book smarts

you heard it here folks veronica roth supported the brainwashing of kids into believing that learning was bad unless it was done in a rigid controlled format

i'm like convinced it was just a random addition last minute for plot twist purposes. didn't her brother end up going there? roth was writing her first draft and was just like 'wait…what if he…ditched his family to go work for smart people who are inherently evil?'

Yeah, they're Smart and do Research
I mean I guess on some higher level it's about valuing self-education and the pursuit of knowledge (which makes the demonization even weirder) but it's not really ever presented like that.
Contrast to Ravenclaw, which has intellectualism, creativity, and wit as opposed to just book smarts

you heard it here folks veronica roth supported the brainwashing of kids into believing that learning was bad unless it was done in a rigid controlled format

i'm like convinced it was just a random addition last minute for plot twist purposes. didn't her brother end up going there? roth was writing her first draft and was just like 'wait…what if he…ditched his family to go work for smart people who are inherently evil?'

The way that Abnegation (which is literally a cult. you can't wear anything that isn't like loose and grey, no mirrors, haircuts once a month, etc. it's so weird) is shown as nice and friendly people who are being unrightfully mistreated by the spooky scary Erudites bugs me too

Hate to interrupt, but wow, i sure do love my family (: (that's sarcastic, by the way). I just love how as soon as the shouting starts my hands start shaking and I get scared that someone is going to shout at me or throw something at me again. Sure do love it, it's my favorite thing ever

that's the worst feeling, i'm sorry. it absolutely sucks when the people who are meant to be your safe haven make you feel completely unsafe. shouting is such a massive trigger for me and it's awful

Can completely relate, whenever someone yells or shouts at me, I completely shut down and start crying, its terrible.

Especially when your parents like refuse to listen to your POV at all and just keep talking over you as you try to defend yourself.

I was gonna respond last night but went to bed, woops. But yeah. The thing is, they weren't even shouting at me this time, they were shouting at my brothers bc they (the brothers) were fighting again

Also the way Erudite is handled is really weird to me, but I can't quite put my finger on why

Because everything about them is way more unrealistic than everything else and by no means should there have not been a single person in erudite that didn't figure out what Janine or whoever was doing and have enough of a moral problem with it to interfere at all? That they were seemingly no divergents who picked Erudite and were like holy shit the things you're doing are not okay? That by all accounts, everyone should have sided with Erudite over Abnegation when they said they should be in charge because they had an argument and things to offer that weren't "we're nice to the homeless uwu" and only lost because of plot convenience? Or one of the fifty other reasons? Or am I just not getting what you mean?

Hate to interrupt, but wow, i sure do love my family (: (that's sarcastic, by the way). I just love how as soon as the shouting starts my hands start shaking and I get scared that someone is going to shout at me or throw something at me again. Sure do love it, it's my favorite thing ever

that's the worst feeling, i'm sorry. it absolutely sucks when the people who are meant to be your safe haven make you feel completely unsafe. shouting is such a massive trigger for me and it's awful

Can completely relate, whenever someone yells or shouts at me, I completely shut down and start crying, its terrible.

Especially when your parents like refuse to listen to your POV at all and just keep talking over you as you try to defend yourself.

I was gonna respond last night but went to bed, woops. But yeah. The thing is, they weren't even shouting at me this time, they were shouting at my brothers bc they (the brothers) were fighting again

Hate to interrupt, but wow, i sure do love my family (: (that's sarcastic, by the way). I just love how as soon as the shouting starts my hands start shaking and I get scared that someone is going to shout at me or throw something at me again. Sure do love it, it's my favorite thing ever

that's the worst feeling, i'm sorry. it absolutely sucks when the people who are meant to be your safe haven make you feel completely unsafe. shouting is such a massive trigger for me and it's awful

Can completely relate, whenever someone yells or shouts at me, I completely shut down and start crying, its terrible.

Especially when your parents like refuse to listen to your POV at all and just keep talking over you as you try to defend yourself.

I was gonna respond last night but went to bed, woops. But yeah. The thing is, they weren't even shouting at me this time, they were shouting at my brothers bc they (the brothers) were fighting again

Also the way Erudite is handled is really weird to me, but I can't quite put my finger on why

Because everything about them is way more unrealistic than everything else and by no means should there have not been a single person in erudite that didn't figure out what Janine or whoever was doing and have enough of a moral problem with it to interfere at all? That they were seemingly no divergents who picked Erudite and were like holy shit the things you're doing are not okay? That by all accounts, everyone should have sided with Erudite over Abnegation when they said they should be in charge because they had an argument and things to offer that weren't "we're nice to the homeless uwu" and only lost because of plot convenience? Or one of the fifty other reasons? Or am I just not getting what you mean?

YES THIS
Also it just felt like it had a weird anti-intellectualism vibe and Abnegation should never have even been a candidate to be in charge.

Yeah, they're Smart and do Research
I mean I guess on some higher level it's about valuing self-education and the pursuit of knowledge (which makes the demonization even weirder) but it's not really ever presented like that.
Contrast to Ravenclaw, which has intellectualism, creativity, and wit as opposed to just book smarts

you heard it here folks veronica roth supported the brainwashing of kids into believing that learning was bad unless it was done in a rigid controlled format

i'm like convinced it was just a random addition last minute for plot twist purposes. didn't her brother end up going there? roth was writing her first draft and was just like 'wait…what if he…ditched his family to go work for smart people who are inherently evil?'

The book: learning for fun is bad
The target demographic:

Like. By villainizing an entire group of people who love learning in your book, you're villainizing the majority of your fanbase, which is primarily 5th grade to 8th or 9th grade kids who love reading and learning. Why would you do that???

STOP MAKING IT SEEM LIKE YOU THINK YOUR YOUNG, IMPRESSIONABLE READERS ARE BAD PEOPLE, HOLY SHIT

what if….i want to be evil….misunderstood anti hero vibes babey

I haven't read Divergent, and this conversation isn't convincing me to, but I have read another series that Roth wrote. Carve the Mark?

what if….i want to be evil….misunderstood anti hero vibes babey

Alright Victor Vale, let's take it down a few notches-
Please read Vicious it slaps so hard and it's got an ace lead!! although that's not confirmed til the sequel

i'm late to the party and i read divergent like 9 years ago, but i think erudite was weird to me because iirc she framed it like "each faction thinks [insert one thing here] is the root of all evil in society," which is an inherently flawed concept to me first of all, but she made erudite "the root of all evil is stupidity" whereas imo it would have made may more sense for them to say like "oh the root of all evil is a lack of education/access to education" or "the root of all evil is willful ignorance" but she made it so that erudite is just super elitist and one-dimensional, and yeah it does read as really anti-intellectual