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@ElderGod-Icefire

See, i'm kind of of the opinion that we need police, but we don't need the kind of police we have now. Not all cops, no, but enough. Too many. Just like not all men are rapists, not all cops are bad, but they still uphold a broken system. They may not be directly at fault and i'm not saying that they are, but I am saying that the entire american system is just fucked. up. It relies so heavily on guns and promotes them as the be-all end-all solution, and then feigns surprise when, guess what? The cops open fire on an innocent person, or another troubled teen decides that the solution is to shoot up their school. Time and time again, things are proposed to help end the violence, and time and time again, the cry is raised "but the second amendment" "you're just sensitive" "stop being dramatic". Over and over and over again, while the children are terrified to go to school, terrified that one day they'll hear gunshots echo down the hallways and through the building, terrified that one day some of their friends will be shot and killed. Time and time again, it happens and the government does nothing to fix it, nothing to make sure it won't happen again. Over and over and over again, black men and women are killed in the streets and in their homes by cops, off of the "well they look suspicious". And when an outcry is raised, when people protest, they are told "stop being dramatic". Yeah, I'm a middle class white girl, so maybe I shouldn't be saying anything about this. Maybe it isn't my place to point out racism. But when black girls try and speak up about this, they're told it's all in their heads, that they need to be quiet and sit down, because they aren't white. Because they're female. Because because because…and there is never ever ever a good reason. So if I can help them, I will. Because i am tired of my country standing by while innocent people are shot and killed over this. I am tired of reading articles from other countries and seeing what a joke america has become. I am tired of America being like this and I wish I knew a way to fix it, but I don't. I don't, because both of our political parties are so against each other, so dead-set that the other will not get their way, that our country cannot change. And there's the root of the problem. The Democrat and Republican parties have grown so polarized and so antagonistic, that neither can see why things need to happen. The Republicans oppose stricter gun control…because the Dems advocate for it. And that's how our political system works. This is what it has become, and it needs to stop. This country essentially needs to be rebuilt and remade from the ground up and i don't know how we can do that.

Jesus fuck that was a lot.

thanks for coming to my TEDtalk I–

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

That moment when a kid makes miles more sense than 90% of all adults, including our national fucking leaders

Honestly I've gotten used to that moment by now-

@Pickles group

Side note, Trump getting rid of all the environmental laws he can because it's a little more expensive and worse for his eCoNoMy pisses me off. Fuck dude, we'll all be dead before long so just stop and go back to being a super rich dude with your wife. Come on. Just go be a hermit in one of your fifty towers and leave our safety in someone else's hands
You know what else pisses me off? The way when someone asks a question of someone else and the person starts talking and he fucking interrupts to restate the question to them. And then turns around with his funky ass, fake politician, New York voice and dances clumsily around questions asked to him. It's hypocritical and the former embarrasses everyone including me.

@ElderGod-Icefire

Side note, Trump getting rid of all the environmental laws he can because it's a little more expensive and worse for his eCoNoMy pisses me off. Fuck dude, we'll all be dead before long so just stop and go back to being a super rich dude with your wife. Come on. Just go be a hermit in one of your fifty towers and leave our safety in someone else's hands
You know what else pisses me off? The way when someone asks a question of someone else and the person starts talking and he fucking interrupts to restate the question to them. And then turns around with his funky ass, fake politician, New York voice and dances clumsily around questions asked to him. It's hypocritical and the former embarrasses everyone including me.

YES

@berlioz

honestly it's hardly shocking at all. we've seen it as a problem for years, in the few domestic abuse cases involving cops and the science explaining that barely any get reported, and the same thing in violence against poc and minorities. the cops have been going undercover to start violence at rallies so that other cops waiting can come in and arrest everyone under the 'oh we don't know who was being violent yet' thing. for like ever. it's no secret. people just don't care because before everyone rallied together a handful of people speaking up didn't do much more than get you to go missing or wind up dead due to mysterious circumstance

I didn't really have an opinion on cops for a long time. I just figured they come when they're called/ordered to. I have this friend, who about this time last year warned me over and over that law enforcement was going to crumble before our eyes, and for the better. He always went on about how the policing agencies were corrupt and going to mess up big "sometime soon". He told me stories of evil cops, most of which I thought were exaggerated. He's pretty politically eccentric, so I never really understood him. Then I took a law enforcement class. Mostly as a joke- and easy A, learn how to trick the police, ya know? I reccomend everyone take one of those, if your school offers it. I learned so much. My teacher was a former cop, and she was really cool and full of stories. She was one of the good ones. But boy, did she have some stories about corrupt cops.. She taught us about the system, the agencies, the reporting processes, and I realized how terrifyingly easy it was to totally screw over citizens. She taught us how easy it was for police to loophole the law, or just flat out lie to us. She never held back- she told us all the flaws of the system from an unbiased, objective perspective. I was a amazed at how shitty our laws surrounding policing agencies are. And it turns out my friend was completely right, of course. That class was really an eye opener. There are good cops, but it's way easier to be a bad one.

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

I know a pretty good cop whose arm got fucked up when he was helping evacuate people after the explosion, and my uncle is a cop, but I know that they're some of the few good ones. It's a corrupt system that needs a big overhaul, or straight-up abolition.

@Pickles group

I used to not be terrified of being wrongfully accused of a crime can you imagine that lmao
Enter true crime and all the ways police have fucked over innocent people to fit their agenda that everyone who's not like them (cis, het, white, conservative, Christian, etc) is evil
And damn, if I was accused of a crime, I'd probably go to jail because a lot of police just want AN answer, not necessarily the right one. And my memory is really bad so my story would probably change a ton

@ElderGod-Icefire

It's not necessarily the police that want an answer. Don't forget the court proceedings. The judge/jury, depending on the level of crime, just want to see someone pay, even if that person is innocent

@SpookyScarySnoteleks group

Enter true crime and all the ways police have fucked over innocent people to fit their agenda that everyone who's not like them (cis, het, white, conservative, Christian, etc) is evil

Exactly
And according to them, I'm evil times at least 5!

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

Oh same
Especially since I'm autistic and so eye contact isn't really something I do easily, and that's seen as a sign of lying
Not to mention that I have ADD and anxiety, so I wouldn't be able to handle questioning too well

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

It's not necessarily the police that want an answer. Don't forget the court proceedings. The judge/jury, depending on the level of crime, just want to see someone pay, even if that person is innocent

Cue 12 Angry Jurors
We were supposed to do that show before quarantine hit, it hits different now-

@Pickles group

It's not necessarily the police that want an answer. Don't forget the court proceedings. The judge/jury, depending on the level of crime, just want to see someone pay, even if that person is innocent

Ick yeah
There was one case (can't remember which) that the jury "didn't know" they were supposed to reach a unanimous decision. Even though everyone knows that and they were told right before
And I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to show the jury crime scene pictures because it'll sway them

@ElderGod-Icefire

It's not necessarily the police that want an answer. Don't forget the court proceedings. The judge/jury, depending on the level of crime, just want to see someone pay, even if that person is innocent

Ick yeah
There was one case (can't remember which) that the jury "didn't know" they were supposed to reach a unanimous decision. Even though everyone knows that and they were told right before
And I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to show the jury crime scene pictures because it'll sway them

Yeah. I read an article about a guy who had spent like…fifty years in jail for a crime he didn't commit. You know why? He was a young black man without a good alibi. So he spent fifty years wrongfully imprisoned, and fought the court system for like ten years trying to get the verdict rescinded. He eventually won his freedom again, but still. Fifty years of his life, gone and wasted

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

I've done Mock Trial and while it's obviously not the same as a normal jury, you really get to see how bias changes the outcome of cases
One case I did was a child abuse one iirc and the kids in the jury ignored the evidence I had for the defense and sided with the prosecution, despite there being visible holes in their story.

@SpookyScarySnoteleks group

It's not necessarily the police that want an answer. Don't forget the court proceedings. The judge/jury, depending on the level of crime, just want to see someone pay, even if that person is innocent

Ick yeah
There was one case (can't remember which) that the jury "didn't know" they were supposed to reach a unanimous decision. Even though everyone knows that and they were told right before
And I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to show the jury crime scene pictures because it'll sway them

Yeah. I read an article about a guy who had spent like…fifty years in jail for a crime he didn't commit. You know why? He was a young black man without a good alibi. So he spent fifty years wrongfully imprisoned, and fought the court system for like ten years trying to get the verdict rescinded. He eventually won his freedom again, but still. Fifty years of his life, gone and wasted

I really wish I didn't have to be genuinely scared of that happening to me.

@croccin-champagne

would also like to point out that most of the signs of lying they operate on in interrogations are signs of abuse. habits developed by abuse victims to protect themselves. no eye contact, lying about whereabouts, lying about things that don't need to be lied about, getting panicky when pressed

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

would also like to point out that most of the signs of lying they operate on in interrogations are signs of abuse. habits developed by abuse victims to protect themselves. no eye contact, lying about whereabouts, lying about things that don't need to be lied about, getting panicky when pressed

I didn't know that, it's interesting! Thank you for sharing!

@ElderGod-Icefire

It's not necessarily the police that want an answer. Don't forget the court proceedings. The judge/jury, depending on the level of crime, just want to see someone pay, even if that person is innocent

Ick yeah
There was one case (can't remember which) that the jury "didn't know" they were supposed to reach a unanimous decision. Even though everyone knows that and they were told right before
And I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to show the jury crime scene pictures because it'll sway them

Yeah. I read an article about a guy who had spent like…fifty years in jail for a crime he didn't commit. You know why? He was a young black man without a good alibi. So he spent fifty years wrongfully imprisoned, and fought the court system for like ten years trying to get the verdict rescinded. He eventually won his freedom again, but still. Fifty years of his life, gone and wasted

I really wish I didn't have to be genuinely scared of that happening to me.

I'm so sorry, Ash

@croccin-champagne

It's not necessarily the police that want an answer. Don't forget the court proceedings. The judge/jury, depending on the level of crime, just want to see someone pay, even if that person is innocent

Ick yeah
There was one case (can't remember which) that the jury "didn't know" they were supposed to reach a unanimous decision. Even though everyone knows that and they were told right before
And I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to show the jury crime scene pictures because it'll sway them

Yeah. I read an article about a guy who had spent like…fifty years in jail for a crime he didn't commit. You know why? He was a young black man without a good alibi. So he spent fifty years wrongfully imprisoned, and fought the court system for like ten years trying to get the verdict rescinded. He eventually won his freedom again, but still. Fifty years of his life, gone and wasted

I really wish I didn't have to be genuinely scared of that happening to me.

my dad's childhood friend went to prison because he was black and a woman claimed he raped her. he didn't, everyone in my family is well aware of that because she was a known liar who i think had done the same thing before and it was found to legit be false, and because he's literally like. a good person who just has problems

don't get me wrong i think he's a giant man child but also my family operates on vibes and things we know, and this man passes every test. he's just stupid that's it

@Pickles group

I've done Mock Trial and while it's obviously not the same as a normal jury, you really get to see how bias changes the outcome of cases
One case I did was a child abuse one iirc and the kids in the jury ignored the evidence I had for the defense and sided with the prosecution, despite there being visible holes in their story.

Mock Trials are stupid because everyone is a bunch of twelve year old shits who don't know what's going on and the jury votes for their friends. Mock Congress was stupid too because no one knew what was going on, no one cared at all, and nearly everyone's a bunch of slightly racist fuckheads who can't comprehend what's a good idea and what's a bad idea. Half of gen z literally sucks and we're all screwed. Sometimes I almost hope we all die of global warming so future generations don't have to deal with us being boomers. But maybe that's just my school

@croccin-champagne

would also like to point out that most of the signs of lying they operate on in interrogations are signs of abuse. habits developed by abuse victims to protect themselves. no eye contact, lying about whereabouts, lying about things that don't need to be lied about, getting panicky when pressed

I didn't know that, it's interesting! Thank you for sharing!

no problem! it sucks to see it but unfortunately a lot of testimony is forced because of things like that, people will say anything to get out of trouble and that can lead to bad things when the person in charge is biased

also seriously tho. doesn't like everyone get panicky when repeatedly told you're lying. how is that a valid sign of lying.

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

Not to mention those studies where a jury is given two identical hypothetical crimes (one committed by a white guy and one committed by a black guy) and they sentenced the black guy harder, despite the crimes being identical.
I don't remember what they were called but I know I've heard of them before-

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

I've done Mock Trial and while it's obviously not the same as a normal jury, you really get to see how bias changes the outcome of cases
One case I did was a child abuse one iirc and the kids in the jury ignored the evidence I had for the defense and sided with the prosecution, despite there being visible holes in their story.

Mock Trials are stupid because everyone is a bunch of twelve year old shits who don't know what's going on and the jury votes for their friends. Mock Congress was stupid too because no one knew what was going on, no one cared at all, and nearly everyone's a bunch of slightly racist fuckheads who can't comprehend what's a good idea and what's a bad idea. Half of gen z literally sucks and we're all screwed. Sometimes I almost hope we all die of global warming so future generations don't have to deal with us being boomers. But maybe that's just my school

The lefty zoomers are pretty good, but the others…are not.

@ElderGod-Icefire

I've done Mock Trial and while it's obviously not the same as a normal jury, you really get to see how bias changes the outcome of cases
One case I did was a child abuse one iirc and the kids in the jury ignored the evidence I had for the defense and sided with the prosecution, despite there being visible holes in their story.

Mock Trials are stupid because everyone is a bunch of twelve year old shits who don't know what's going on and the jury votes for their friends. Mock Congress was stupid too because no one knew what was going on, no one cared at all, and nearly everyone's a bunch of slightly racist fuckheads who can't comprehend what's a good idea and what's a bad idea. Half of gen z literally sucks and we're all screwed. Sometimes I almost hope we all die of global warming so future generations don't have to deal with us being boomers. But maybe that's just my school

The lefty zoomers are pretty good, but the others…are not.

That's because gen Z is literally the representation of what's going on in our political parties. Z's raised conservatively/in a Republican home, that are Republicans themselves? Tend to be even more gung ho guns guns guns than their parents. Whereas lefty Z's tend to a bit more laid-back, at least in my experience

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

To lighten the mood, my dad is now banned from picking hiking locations because the one I went to today ended with all of us following a barely visible trail, sinking up to my ankles in warm, stinky mud and water multiple times, and getting my legs all cut up by really awful plants.
Fun times.

@Pickles group

would also like to point out that most of the signs of lying they operate on in interrogations are signs of abuse. habits developed by abuse victims to protect themselves. no eye contact, lying about whereabouts, lying about things that don't need to be lied about, getting panicky when pressed

I didn't know that, it's interesting! Thank you for sharing!

look up the West Memphis 3, the way the police deal with it is fucking abominable and just thinking about it makes me scream. Shameless plug again , Morbid: A True Crime Podcast has three super detailed episodes on it plus the girls are really rad and one of their names is Ash and she's adorable and gay at least I think. She has a gf.

@ElderGod-Icefire

To lighten the mood, my dad is now banned from picking hiking locations because the one I went to today ended with all of us following a barely visible trail, sinking up to my ankles in warm, stinky mud and water multiple times, and getting my legs all cut up by really awful plants.
Fun times.

Ew that's nasty