All I will include on this (as someone who went to med school and had to wear a mask 90% of the time) is that masks work.
There is nothing on this planet that will save you 100% from anything.
But wearing a mask will protect you from 'toxins' 99% of the time.
I promise you that struggling a bit with your healthy lungs right now is worlds better than being on oxygen for the rest of your life.
Or being connected to a machine that breathes for you.
Or being immunocompromised for the rest of your life.
Or, you know, being dead.
Ok, here is why I dissagree with you.
- Masks work to a degree, they aren't perfect, no one claimes that they're going to stop every little bit of bacteria, any one who says that is an idiot, but it stops a majority of them, it stops some of them, it lessens the risk. It does not eliminate the risk, but it lessens it. A mask is like a chain link fence, it keeps most things out/in but it's not perfect.
- You legit stated the reason why everyone needs to wear a mask, it keeps your bacteria in more then it keeps others out, aka, you're not wearing it for you, you're wearing it for the people around you. So yeah if you don't wear a mask not only are you uping your chances of getting it your upping everyone else's chances of getting it. So really unless you have a legit reason like the ones you stated, you are hurting other people out of your own selfish desiers to what, Be more comfortable? To avoid mask Acne?
- Fudged numbers you say? Please don't tell me you think professionals are making this up, that is the most ridiculous thing. Why, why would they make this up? Do you think they get any benefit from it? No! Because there is a rule that every one needs to wear a mask there are shortages it makes their jobs harder because suddenly they don't have the supplies to deal with it. You want to tell me that professionals like being worked around the clock? do you think they like being pressured to find a solution faster than is safe? Do you think the government is getting something out of the world being shut down? No! The Economy is suffering, that hurts the government, why would they fudge number's all that does is cause confusion and panic, you think that they are promoting panic when it would make their jobs even more difficult?
- If you're so bent on talking about the legal side of this let me quote some legal documents for you. To quote the preamble of the constitution a government's purpose is , " in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." OK now you may be asking so what, well let me point out a few key words, Welfare, Common defense
Now by enforcing the mask rule what is the government trying to do? They're drying to protect the people in any way shape or form possible. That's called adding a defense to protect people, aka, the governments job.
I'm struggling to keep my language civil so I will stop hear, that's the closest I have come to swearing in a really long time.
@Relsey brilliant i have so much respect for you
That number 4 straight up made me put down my martini
Ewen, I respect your respect for me (lol), but if you're stating unpopular opinions just to be an edgelord and not because you have actually done research and know that you that know you that you're right, then you don't value truth. And truth, I think, should be the spirit of debate.
I'm not like targeting you, Ewen, that goes for everyone.
And yes, the COVID stuff is being handled poorly in my opinion too, and the situation might be kinda sus. But it is what it is. Masks work. There's more risk in not wearing a mask than there is in wearing one even if they don't work. So if you can, just wear it.
That number 4 straight up made me put down my martini
That's so on brand for you
Lol I'd already blocked Ewen for their shitty COVID takes, it's nice to see some people with sense striking back.
If you value your own comfort over the lives of others (which you are doing by refusing to wear a mask: endangering the lives of others), I have no respect for you. Plain and simple. There are countless contactless setups and systems that can be used in place of physical shopping, not to mention online shopping, and choosing to go out without a mask is the most asinine option available.
Imagine: A large mansion in the middle of a forest. It's raining heavily, with the occasional flash of lightning. Inside the mansion, in the building's large parlor, sits Eris. Sipping a martini and browsing Notebook.
Imagine: A large mansion in the middle of a forest. It's raining heavily, with the occasional flash of lightning. Inside the mansion, in the building's large parlor, sits Eris. Sipping a martini and browsing Notebook.
"Imagine"? Pfft. You cannot convince me that that is not reality.
Because the actual fucking evidence says it works, Dominic. He can ignore the facts all he wants, but spreading bullshit like "uhh the stats are fake bc I don't know anyone who's died!" is crossing a line for me.
And you can do as you want and that’s chill. But you also accused Ewen of valuing his comfort over people’s lives when he didn’t say anything to be able to give you that conclusion.
Yeah, I did, and I stand by those accusations. Saying that masks don't work is planting misinformation in the heads of less-learned people, people who might stop wearing them due to it. And yes, putting your personal comfort because "mask uncomfy" over the lives of those who you're protecting by wearing a mask is something that can and will cause deaths.
I still think my point above stands but I don’t want to argue.
And you can do as you want and that’s chill. But you also accused Ewen of valuing his comfort over people’s lives when he didn’t say anything to be able to give you that conclusion.
I have to agree with Dom here.
Ewen never once said that he didn't wear masks (he actually said he did unless I read something wrong), or that you couldn't wear yours. In fact, he didn't even say that all the stats are fake; he said he thinks some of the numbers are "fudged." If you want to disagree with him, that's totally fine. I don’t agree with half of the stuff he says. But to actually get that mad over someone for not sharing your views is kind of illogical. You don't have to agree, and you can tell him why he's wrong, but to twist his words and falsely accuse him makes you equally as wrong.
You’ve been The GIFed I’m afraid, Navi.
You’ve been The GIFed I’m afraid, Navi.
I'll take it. I love Han Solo.
isn't this like the debate chat tho dom
i'm mostly kidding, this isn't really my debate, because i'm very much against anyone who doesn't wear or want to wear masks. to a point where it would simply taint any debate
isn't this like the debate chat tho dom
i'm mostly kidding, this isn't really my debate, because i'm very much against anyone who doesn't wear or want to wear masks. to a point where it would simply taint any debate
Lol u right. It’s just that I’m tired and my face still hurts and is numb at the same time?? and arguing with Jyn when she’s actually pissed is a bit meh. I don’t feel up to it Ig.
Dom not wanting to debate? A first
isn't this like the debate chat tho dom
i'm mostly kidding, this isn't really my debate, because i'm very much against anyone who doesn't wear or want to wear masks. to a point where it would simply taint any debate
Lol u right. It’s just that I’m tired and my face still hurts and is numb at the same time?? and arguing with Jyn when she’s actually pissed is a bit meh. I don’t feel up to it Ig.
Dude what'd you do to your face?
ha, they just yanked my tooth out. tho, i have another cavity so…oof
Oof. I've never had a cavity, but my sister has. Don't chew the inside of your cheek, cuz your brain won't register the pain until it's too late.
can we start a debate i feel like arguing with someone >:(
