forum Things You Want LESS Of In Books
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@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

I love a good betrayal, but a good one. I've seen a lot of real bad ones, and I'm not a huge fan of it being immediately excused as like, an act to get something (although sometimes it's just the way things absolutely have to happen. I guess)

Yeah, I agree. A good betrayal is one where you go "I should've seen that coming!", not one where you go "oh, I guess that's okay" or one where you see it coming from a mile away.
Good example: Kylo briefly betraying Snoke after we see him start to question his beliefs in The Last Jedi
Bad example: Tris's brother betraying her because Reasons in Divergent, then making up, then betraying her again, rinse and repeat

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

IT OPENED UP SO MANY PLOTHOLES WITH THE WORLDBUILDING! Like, I can suspend my disbelief enough to say "yeah I guess Chicago is doing it's own thing" but the whole "oooooh it was a social experiment all along!" thing was a cop-out. It's like Roth saw people criticizing her worldbuilding and was like "I'll show them!" And then she made it worse..

@Kinarymo

Anyone feeling like Oracle figures always talk in this mistic and old language?

With the vocabulary nowadays, id be intrigued to see an Oracle talking in slang

@Pickles group

"Yo wassup my homie? How you doin' bro?"
"… Are you okay?"
"Fit as a fiddle, why do you ask?"
"You talk funny."
"My dude, I pick up the slang when people come up here."
"Yeah okay, bye. I'm just gonna go."

I imagine they'd sound like old people trying to fit in

@Kinarymo

But fr now
I feel like the "strong girl is automatically tomboyish or mean or smth" trope is a little bit overused. I too have a setup that includes a single girl, but i dont really know how to make her strong without her being mean or too tomboyish

@Althalosian-is-the-father book

But fr now
I feel like the "strong girl is automatically tomboyish or mean or smth" trope is a little bit overused. I too have a setup that includes a single girl, but i dont really know how to make her strong without her being mean or too tomboyish

It really depends on what the strength is supposed to be. There are different strengths. Some are found more often in males and vice versa.

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

Also the "tomboy is automatically a lesbian" trope.

That's a thing? Wow.

I see it a lot more in fan communities, but a lot of times a woman who has more stereotypically masculine traits or hobbies is assumed to be a lesbian.

@Starfast group

But fr now
I feel like the "strong girl is automatically tomboyish or mean or smth" trope is a little bit overused. I too have a setup that includes a single girl, but i dont really know how to make her strong without her being mean or too tomboyish

Maybe just make sure she isn't too dependent on other characters. Put her in tight situations that she can get out of either by herself or with little help from your other characters. Let her save the day a couple times (not all the time though, you don't want her to be a Mary Sue, especially if she's the only girl).

But also @Althalosian-isTerrifyingWalnutDeathDemon is right about there being different types of strengths. Figure out what she's good at and use those skills to have her help the other characters. Like for instance, I know it's kind of cool to hate on JKR but I feel like she wrote a lot of really good strong female characters. Hermione is a good example- she's super smart, and there's a lot of scenarios where Harry and Ron make it out alive because of that.