Sorry for valuing the life of a living child over the immoral choice of some woman who forgot to take her birth control. They shouldn't have to have their life, their future, their one chance for a beautiful existence taken from them all because some woman didn't want to care for a child and couldn't handle the thought of abstinence.
It's not that she forgot to take birth control, there's a myriad of other factors at play as well. She could have been raped, have had the condom tear, or anything else, and yet you focus on slutshaming women for not being able to 'handle the thought of abstinence', which shows quite a lot about you. And guess what? Maybe she did want to care for the child, but can't. Maybe she's homeless, in an abusive relationship, has parents who would kick her out for being pregnant, has a mental illness or disorder, cannot provide for a child, has genetic things that could ruin a child's quality of life in the future, etc. This isn't 'oh, those sluts are off having casual sex and *not taking their bIrTh cOnTrOl!!', there's layers that you don't seem to be able to grasp.
Well duh. But surely you don't think all abortions come from those situations.
I'm sorry, Dom, but are you seriously questioning when a woman is raped?
Fucking WASPs man.
I'm sorry. But that's absurd.
Your arguments are so invalid it's frustrating. You're arguing against rape and abortion, which is going to happen to matter what laws are pressed in. Ella, you don't know what you're talking about when you compare a fetus to a grown woman who has been violated.
Majority of them did. Most mothers don't abort unless they had to or were in a situation,that wouldn't be good for the child. Abortion is for those who CAN'T have the child at that time. That doesn't mean they were in a situation where they could have taken care,of the baby and then just decide not to. That's not what happens.
Lol. If a random person tells me she was raped I would not 100% believe. I mean sure, take precautions (find her a safe place to stay etc.) but why would I just believe anyone?
Majority of them did. Most mothers don't abort unless they had to or were in a situation,that wouldn't be good for the child. Abortion is for those who CAN'T have the child at that time. That doesn't mean they were in a situation where they could have taken care,of the baby and then just decide not to. That's not what happens.
EXACTLY. A majority of people who consciously choose not to use birth control or condoms want (or are at the very least able to support) a child. People who have abortions have usually been raped, or cannot care for a child at the time. Maybe they're broke, or homeless, or in an abusive family or relationship, or don't have the mental capability to care for a child. Believe it or not, Ella, but women who get abortions aren't just 'dumb sluts who sleep around and don't take birth control' (and even if they are, who cares? Women who enjoy casual sex still have a right to their bodies), they are women who are forced into a situation where they cannot safely have a child. And it's horrible to go through. My church, and many others I've been to, have support groups for women who have had abortions because of how draining and terrible it is to go through.
Lol. If a random person tells me she was raped I would not 100% believe. I mean sure, take precautions (find her a safe place to stay etc.) but why would I just believe anyone?
That's a disgusting thing to say. I'm sorry, but the fact that you think like that is horrifying and honestly revolting.
Common sense. The people who want and can be mothers become mothers. And those who can't have to abort if they end up pregnant. It will happen,if abortion is legal or not. So make the conditions safer and stop fighting to put down women. Otherwise fathers also better start paying for the baby from conception even if they don't want the kid.
A right to choose should never overcome another's right to life…
Lol. If a random person tells me she was raped I would not 100% believe. I mean sure, take precautions (find her a safe place to stay etc.) but why would I just believe anyone?
That's a disgusting thing to say. I'm sorry, but the fact that you think like that is horrifying and honestly revolting.
Would you rather I blindly trust random people???
Lol. If a random person tells me she was raped I would not 100% believe. I mean sure, take precautions (find her a safe place to stay etc.) but why would I just believe anyone?
That's a disgusting thing to say. I'm sorry, but the fact that you think like that is horrifying and honestly revolting.
Would you rather I blindly trust random people???
Because… omg you're just the type of man I want to avoid.
Lol. If a random person tells me she was raped I would not 100% believe. I mean sure, take precautions (find her a safe place to stay etc.) but why would I just believe anyone?
That's a disgusting thing to say. I'm sorry, but the fact that you think like that is horrifying and honestly revolting.
Would you rather I blindly trust random people???
Most women will not lie about being raped.
Majority of them did. Most mothers don't abort unless they had to or were in a situation,that wouldn't be good for the child. Abortion is for those who CAN'T have the child at that time. That doesn't mean they were in a situation where they could have taken care,of the baby and then just decide not to. That's not what happens.
EXACTLY. A majority of people who consciously choose not to use birth control or condoms want (or are at the very least able to support) a child. People who have abortions have usually been raped, or cannot care for a child at the time. Maybe they're broke, or homeless, or in an abusive family or relationship, or don't have the mental capability to care for a child. they are women who are forced into a situation where they cannot safely have a child. And it's horrible to go through.
And you know this how.
Common sense, being a woman, not being a SWM butting into a debate about the female body, etc.
Terrible defense. Claiming it is obvious and that you know because you are a knowledgeable person.
Lol. If a random person tells me she was raped I would not 100% believe. I mean sure, take precautions (find her a safe place to stay etc.) but why would I just believe anyone?
That's a disgusting thing to say. I'm sorry, but the fact that you think like that is horrifying and honestly revolting.
Would you rather I blindly trust random people???
Because… omg you're just the type of man I want to avoid.
That doesn't make sense??? I mean I'm cool that you don't trust me but that wasn't a rebuttal.
Can we please stop the whole "straight white males can't have opinions unless they agree with me" thing? If we're going to start gatekeeping arguments based on such things then maybe none of us are allowed to have opinions because we haven't been raped, had children, or been aborted in our mother's wombs.
Judge people based on their arguments and intelligence instead, please-
Terrible defense. Claiming it is obvious and that you know because you are a knowledgeable person.
Then how do you know the opposite?
What's terrible is that you, a man, are trying to debate two women explaining why women get abortions. Talk about being a knowledgeble person.
It has to do with statistics, not being a woman. Therefore my opinion is still valid.
Can we please stop the whole "straight white males can't have opinions unless they agree with me" thing? Because if we're going to start gatekeeping arguments based on such things then maybe none of us are allowed to have opinions because we haven't been raped, had children, or been aborted in our mother's wombs.
Sorry, why do you care?
You and Al is literally acting as if he knows SO MUCH about the woman's body, and he clearly doesn't. He's arguing about women's rights, and we have the right to argue back.
Terrible defense. Claiming it is obvious and that you know because you are a knowledgeable person.
Then how do you know the opposite?
Based on available statistics.
Can we please stop the whole "straight white males can't have opinions unless they agree with me" thing? Because if we're going to start gatekeeping arguments based on such things then maybe none of us are allowed to have opinions because we haven't been raped, had children, or been aborted in our mother's wombs.
Sorry, why do you care?
You and Al is literally acting as if he knows SO MUCH about the woman's body, and he clearly doesn't. He's arguing about women's rights, and we have the right to argue back.
You can argue back, but so can we. And maybe YOU don't know much about the baby's body? Does that mean you can't have an opinion?
Can we please stop the whole "straight white males can't have opinions unless they agree with me" thing? Because if we're going to start gatekeeping arguments based on such things then maybe none of us are allowed to have opinions because we haven't been raped, had children, or been aborted in our mother's wombs.
Sorry, why do you care?
You and Al is literally acting as if he knows SO MUCH about the woman's body, and he clearly doesn't. He's arguing about women's rights, and we have the right to argue back.
How have I demonstrated ignorance?
It has to do with statistics, not being a woman. Therefore my opinion is still valid.
So in a debate about the female anatomy and women's rights, a man looking up bullshit statistics is more valid than a woman voicing how other women approach the topic?
Sadly, this is how most places treat the debate so I'm disappointed but not surprised
