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He literally raised Harry like a pig for slaughter. It was his plan all along to have this little boy die. That shouldn't be acceptable.
He also knew Harry was in an abusive home. I don't care if its to save the entire world, there is never a good reason to keep a child in an abusive home, let alone knowingly put him in one.
In my opinion, the events that transpired in the first book were a test for Harry. What other reason would Dumbledore have to keep such an important artifact that Voldemort would definitely want, should he hear word of it, at Hogwarts? This isn't a rhetorical question, I don't actually remember if there was a legitimate "reason". It literally showed up at Hogwarts around the exact same time Harry showed up at Hogwarts? Why not keep it at Gringotts? Supposedly, it was safer at Hogwarts, but three 11-year-olds were able to get to something that was meant to keep out the most dangerous wizard of the time. Unless of course, it was a test set up by Dumbledore.

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Well it was either that or let Voldemort kill Harry and win. Plus, we don't know Dumbledore didn't know- Double negative, crap. Dumbledore could have known how everything would turn out.
But the abusive home also kept him in a charm of protection???
I think you're right on the test. But remember that the tests down there were pretty good. Idek how Voldy/Q got down there.

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What is your first point referring to?
I don't care. This was magic wizard world, he could have found another way. There is no good reason to put a child in an abusive home. Period. I would bet a lot of money on the fact that Harry wasn't hugged until he was 11. That messes with you psychologically.
Well Quirrel was pretty smart

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Harry could have been raised by any other magical family related to him and it would have had the same effect. Where are Harry's grand parents on the Potter side? Hmmmm?
Let's not forget that Dumbledore knew Sirius was innocent and let him rot in Azkaban for 12 years, instead of professing/ testifying his innocence and letting him raise Harry as a Godfather should have. (Lupin too)
There were so many other options that Harry could have had that was not completely messed up and horrible. Harry is lucky he didn't turn out a complete slug for Voldy to murder casually, because let's be honest most children from abusive homes do not turn out brave and honorable from the get go without massive amounts of therapy.

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Nah. It had to be on the mothers side.
Did he though? The switch was without Dumbledore's knowledge.
Can't argue with that last bit though.

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He literally raised Harry like a pig for slaughter. It was his plan all along to have this little boy die. That shouldn't be acceptable.
He also knew Harry was in an abusive home. I don't care if its to save the entire world, there is never a good reason to keep a child in an abusive home, let alone knowingly put him in one.
In my opinion, the events that transpired in the first book were a test for Harry. What other reason would Dumbledore have to keep such an important artifact that Voldemort would definitely want, should he hear word of it, at Hogwarts? This isn't a rhetorical question, I don't actually remember if there was a legitimate "reason". It literally showed up at Hogwarts around the exact same time Harry showed up at Hogwarts? Why not keep it at Gringotts? Supposedly, it was safer at Hogwarts, but three 11-year-olds were able to get to something that was meant to keep out the most dangerous wizard of the time. Unless of course, it was a test set up by Dumbledore.

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Well it was either that or let Voldemort kill Harry and win. Plus, we don't know Dumbledore didn't know- Double negative, crap. Dumbledore could have known how everything would turn out.
But the abusive home also kept him in a charm of protection???
I think you're right on the test. But remember that the tests down there were pretty good. Idek how Voldy/Q got down there.

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What is your first point referring to?
I don't care. This was magic wizard world, he could have found another way. There is no good reason to put a child in an abusive home. Period. I would bet a lot of money on the fact that Harry wasn't hugged until he was 11. That messes with you psychologically.
Well Quirrel was pretty smart

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Harry could have been raised by any other magical family related to him and it would have had the same effect. Where are Harry's grand parents on the Potter side? Hmmmm?
Let's not forget that Dumbledore knew Sirius was innocent and let him rot in Azkaban for 12 years, instead of professing/ testifying his innocence and letting him raise Harry as a Godfather should have. (Lupin too)
There were so many other options that Harry could have had that was not completely messed up and horrible. Harry is lucky he didn't turn out a complete slug for Voldy to murder casually, because let's be honest most children from abusive homes do not turn out brave and honorable from the get go without massive amounts of therapy.

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Nah. It had to be on the mothers side.
Did he though? The switch was without Dumbledore's knowledge.
Can't argue with that last bit though.

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I mean…. not really? Lily gave her life to protect Harry but that doesn't mean it had to be Petunia that accepted him into her home. It could have been anyone else that loved Lily and had the desire to protect/take care of her son.
Dumbledore knew that Pettigrew was the Potter's Secret Keeper, so when they were betrayed he knew that it was Pettigrew and not Sirius. Yet he still let him go to Azkaban. Nothing happened without Dumbledore's knowledge. Im 3000% sure.
seriously harry could have been raised by Mcgonagall and turned out to be the most chosen Chosen One to ever live.

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He literally raised Harry like a pig for slaughter. It was his plan all along to have this little boy die. That shouldn't be acceptable.
He also knew Harry was in an abusive home. I don't care if its to save the entire world, there is never a good reason to keep a child in an abusive home, let alone knowingly put him in one.
In my opinion, the events that transpired in the first book were a test for Harry. What other reason would Dumbledore have to keep such an important artifact that Voldemort would definitely want, should he hear word of it, at Hogwarts? This isn't a rhetorical question, I don't actually remember if there was a legitimate "reason". It literally showed up at Hogwarts around the exact same time Harry showed up at Hogwarts? Why not keep it at Gringotts? Supposedly, it was safer at Hogwarts, but three 11-year-olds were able to get to something that was meant to keep out the most dangerous wizard of the time. Unless of course, it was a test set up by Dumbledore.

Spoiler - click to show.

Well it was either that or let Voldemort kill Harry and win. Plus, we don't know Dumbledore didn't know- Double negative, crap. Dumbledore could have known how everything would turn out.
But the abusive home also kept him in a charm of protection???
I think you're right on the test. But remember that the tests down there were pretty good. Idek how Voldy/Q got down there.

Spoiler - click to show.

What is your first point referring to?
I don't care. This was magic wizard world, he could have found another way. There is no good reason to put a child in an abusive home. Period. I would bet a lot of money on the fact that Harry wasn't hugged until he was 11. That messes with you psychologically.
Well Quirrel was pretty smart

Spoiler - click to show.

Harry could have been raised by any other magical family related to him and it would have had the same effect. Where are Harry's grand parents on the Potter side? Hmmmm?
Let's not forget that Dumbledore knew Sirius was innocent and let him rot in Azkaban for 12 years, instead of professing/ testifying his innocence and letting him raise Harry as a Godfather should have. (Lupin too)
There were so many other options that Harry could have had that was not completely messed up and horrible. Harry is lucky he didn't turn out a complete slug for Voldy to murder casually, because let's be honest most children from abusive homes do not turn out brave and honorable from the get go without massive amounts of therapy.

Spoiler - click to show.

Nah. It had to be on the mothers side.
Did he though? The switch was without Dumbledore's knowledge.
Can't argue with that last bit though.

Spoiler - click to show.

I mean…. not really? Lily gave her life to protect Harry but that doesn't mean it had to be Petunia that accepted him into her home. It could have been anyone else that loved Lily and had the desire to protect/take care of her son.
Dumbledore knew that Pettigrew was the Potter's Secret Keeper, so when they were betrayed he knew that it was Pettigrew and not Sirius. Yet he still let him go to Azkaban. Nothing happened without Dumbledore's knowledge. Im 3000% sure.
seriously harry could have been raised by Mcgonagall and turned out to be the most chosen Chosen One to ever live.

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But wait, didn't the books state that it had to be a living relative of Lily, and Petunia was the only one left?

Best villain and why?

Darth Maul. He has just enough depth and backstory for you to feel bad for him, but he still cancels it out by all the evil he's done, and has a very tragic life and death.

Acheron Hades. He is a pure evil who is genuinely fun to watch even as he murders innocent people.

Darth Vader.
Just because I'm actually impressed by his arch

But also, most Sith have great writing. It's the Heroes in Star Wars that lack imagination.

Exactly. Somehow all the bad guys are way more developed and actually relatable. The Clone wars and Rebels versions of Maul were amazing…
And of course our classic Lego version of Sidious.

may i start a debate?

Exactly. Somehow all the bad guys are way more developed and actually relatable. The Clone wars and Rebels versions of Maul were amazing…
And of course our classic Lego version of Sidious.

Lego Sidious is an icon, tbh.
Also TCW and Rebels made me go from being uninterested in Maul to him becoming one of my favorite villains ever!

That's the purpose of the chat, I think… what topic?

Exactly. Somehow all the bad guys are way more developed and actually relatable. The Clone wars and Rebels versions of Maul were amazing…
And of course our classic Lego version of Sidious.

Lego Sidious is an icon, tbh.
Also TCW and Rebels made me go from being uninterested in Maul to him becoming one of my favorite villains ever!

Same.

may i start a debate?

Y'duh dude. Go ahead.

Exactly. Somehow all the bad guys are way more developed and actually relatable. The Clone wars and Rebels versions of Maul were amazing…
And of course our classic Lego version of Sidious.

Lego Sidious is an icon, tbh.
Also TCW and Rebels made me go from being uninterested in Maul to him becoming one of my favorite villains ever!

Same.

Honestly TCW made him into someone I hated, and then Rebels more so into a love-to-hate, and now I just find him fascinating.
Also Spider-Maul is one of only two Star Wars scenes that have actually scared me, the other is Anakin being burned alive in the lava rivers of Mustafar.

The new ninjago characters vr. the old ones (i side with the old ones)

The new ninjago characters vr. the old ones (i side with the old ones)

From a solely aesthetic perspective, the old ones are better. I don't like the colored eyes on the new minifigs, especially on Lloyd, they look tacky. In fact, I would say the only minifig with colored eyes that looks good is Grand Admiral Thrawn.

Old.

Kind of awkward that I used to really like that show.

The new ninjago characters vr. the old ones (i side with the old ones)

From a solely aesthetic perspective, the old ones are better. I don't like the colored eyes on the new minifigs, especially on Lloyd, they look tacky. In fact, I would say the only minifig with colored eyes that looks good is Grand Admiral Thrawn.

i'm talking about how they replaced them in the actual show which made me really mad i actually stopped watching it

Yeah, judging from the few episodes I’ve watched with my little brothers, it just went downhill…
Old ones are better.

The new ninjago characters vr. the old ones (i side with the old ones)

From a solely aesthetic perspective, the old ones are better. I don't like the colored eyes on the new minifigs, especially on Lloyd, they look tacky. In fact, I would say the only minifig with colored eyes that looks good is Grand Admiral Thrawn.

i'm talking about how they replaced them in the actual show which made me really mad i actually stopped watching it

That's why I said it was from an aesthetic perspective, I've never seen the show but I collect Legos.

i know right and the new lloyd is a total duche bag and his hair is to tall for him cole looks like a caveman jay looks like he is 10 years old kai looks like a total idiot again with hair the size of his torso! Not to mention zane is a total wierdo, pixal is strange and Nia has a MOLE AND A MAN BUN!!!!!

I get where they were going with the hair designs, but they fall flat for me, they look too animated.

yeah i know right it's dumb

Exactly. Somehow all the bad guys are way more developed and actually relatable. The Clone wars and Rebels versions of Maul were amazing…
And of course our classic Lego version of Sidious.

Lego Sidious is an icon, tbh.
Also TCW and Rebels made me go from being uninterested in Maul to him becoming one of my favorite villains ever!

Same.

Honestly TCW made him into someone I hated, and then Rebels more so into a love-to-hate, and now I just find him fascinating.
Also Spider-Maul is one of only two Star Wars scenes that have actually scared me, the other is Anakin being burned alive in the lava rivers of Mustafar.

That's almost my experience, except I was fine with the burning and was most scared of the Brain worms, Mother Talzin, and the spider scene. Somehow the person being burned just didn't scare my young self as much…
But Maul had amazing development. there's a book I read, and it followed Maul's childhood and gave him really good background. Far above, far above, we don't know where we'll fall… Far above, far above, what was once was great is rendered small. Anyone understand that reference?

Exactly. Somehow all the bad guys are way more developed and actually relatable. The Clone wars and Rebels versions of Maul were amazing…
And of course our classic Lego version of Sidious.

Lego Sidious is an icon, tbh.
Also TCW and Rebels made me go from being uninterested in Maul to him becoming one of my favorite villains ever!

Same.

Honestly TCW made him into someone I hated, and then Rebels more so into a love-to-hate, and now I just find him fascinating.
Also Spider-Maul is one of only two Star Wars scenes that have actually scared me, the other is Anakin being burned alive in the lava rivers of Mustafar.

That's almost my experience, except I was fine with the burning and was most scared of the Brain worms, Mother Talzin, and the spider scene. Somehow the person being burned just didn't scare my young self as much…
But Maul had amazing development. there's a book I read, and it followed Maul's childhood and gave him really good background. Far above, far above, we don't know where we'll fall… Far above, far above, what was once was great is rendered small. Anyone understand that reference?

The brain worms didn't scare me much, or Mother Talzin, but I have arachnophobia so the spider scene was not good for me lol.
Was it the Darth Maul in-character journal? I have that one!

yeah i know right it's dumb

The Lego Batman Movie ones were better, but still not great.

yeah i know right it's dumb

The Lego Batman Movie ones were better, but still not great.

yeah

I think it might have been! It had all his early training and apprenticeship, and he ended up killing the girl he liked at his school place?