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Started September 29, 2020 by Deleted user

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No lie, I like the side characters in PJO more than the leads in HoO.

Out of the 7, the one I liked the most was Leo because his chapters actually kept me interested (unlike Jason, Frank and Piper). Percy just felt like an asshole in HoO and Annabeth, don't get me wrong she's neat and all, but she just kinda fell short for me. Hazel was cool in theory I guess, but she just lacked that ~spark~. Piper felt like a bitch, Jason is blander than my mother's cooking, and Frank just… didn't hit the mark.

ToA were okay I love me some bi disaster apollo but I really did not like Meg so it was hard to read them.

Meg felt realistically immature but since Apollo was also so immature it felt pretty grating to read. At least that's what I remember it being, I only read the first one (maybe the first two?) and it was years ago

Out of the 7, the one I liked the most was Leo because his chapters actually kept me interested (unlike Jason, Frank and Piper). Percy just felt like an asshole in HoO and Annabeth, don't get me wrong she's neat and all, but she just kinda fell short for me. Hazel was cool in theory I guess, but she just lacked that ~spark~. Piper felt like a bitch, Jason is blander than my mother's cooking, and Frank just… didn't hit the mark.

ToA were okay I love me some bi disaster apollo but I really did not like Meg so it was hard to read them.

people can try to excuse frank and hazel's age gap, but she was physically and probably still mentally 13 and it was hella weird for him to like her back

I think the only thing that really got me through the books were the side characters

But it was also nice that there was a lot of LGBTQ stuff… but that also felt sort of overstuffed

We had bi Apollo, gay Nico and Will, Kayla had two dads, Josephine and Emmi, aro/ace Artemis, acespec Reyna, lesbian Lavinia, gay Paolo, bi(?) Commodus, and a lot of other characters.

We went from having one (two if you count Will) canon LGBTQ character to having well over ten.

Out of the 7, the one I liked the most was Leo because his chapters actually kept me interested (unlike Jason, Frank and Piper). Percy just felt like an asshole in HoO and Annabeth, don't get me wrong she's neat and all, but she just kinda fell short for me. Hazel was cool in theory I guess, but she just lacked that ~spark~. Piper felt like a bitch, Jason is blander than my mother's cooking, and Frank just… didn't hit the mark.

ToA were okay I love me some bi disaster apollo but I really did not like Meg so it was hard to read them.

people can try to excuse frank and hazel's age gap, but she was physically and probably still mentally 13 and it was hella weird for him to like her back

yeah the age gap weirded me out. It's like a freshman dating a senior

ah shit I'm getting flashbacks

I think the only thing that really got me through the books were the side characters

But it was also nice that there was a lot of LGBTQ stuff… but that also felt sort of overstuffed

We had bi Apollo, gay Nico and Will, Kayla had two dads, Josephine and Emmi, aro/ace Artemis, acespec Reyna, lesbian Lavinia, gay Paolo, bi(?) Commodus, and a lot of other characters.

We went from having one (two if you count Will) canon LGBTQ character to having well over ten.

Especially since a lot of it was never really, like, handled? I'm all for casual representation but when your "ace rep" is a group of immortal preteens and a character who you confirmed as ace via Twitter I'm not going to laud you for your rep. Like I'm not a huge fan of how he wrote queer issues and such in regards to Nico and Alex but at least their gayness and genderfluidity weren't just dropped in and then ignored.

I feel like in order for the new leads to work they either had to A) be introduced in a Magnus Chase or Kane Chronicles style "here's some new people and their new god system and how it works" way or at LEAST have some time to really develop before being tossed in with Percy, Annabeth, and Nico or B) have there be less of them and give the ones that he kept develop more (seriously, your middle grade series DOES NOT need NINE major POV characters, that's just assuring that some won't get nearly as much development or page time as others even when seven are ostensibly leads)

I think that's one of the major reasons why I preferred PJO to HoO. We actually got to see Percy develop and grow but then we move onto the next series and then BOOM! Five brand new MAIN characters. They didn't get nearly as much development and Percy and Annabeth's development just seemed to stop. By the time I finished reading HoO, Percy and Annabeth felt the same as they did when I finished reading PJO.

I'm pretty sure in greek mythology, artemis canonically slept with her hunters, so uh.
Also hot take, RR can't write without the main character being super fucking dumb and needing everything explained

I think that's one of the major reasons why I preferred PJO to HoO. We actually got to see Percy develop and grow but then we move onto the next series and then BOOM! Five brand new MAIN characters. They didn't get nearly as much development and Percy and Annabeth's development just seemed to stop. By the time I finished reading HoO, Percy and Annabeth felt the same as they did when I finished reading PJO.

HoO characters (from my recollection, I read the series a while ago and don't remember a ton) would have, like, one insecurity that would get dealt with in half a book and then never develop again.

Eh, that's a general trope of MG hidden world fantasy though. Although it's not something that should have been in every single series, like eventually we get it, the gods are real, we understand.

OH and on the topic of bad LGBTQ+ rep,

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Honestly it felt like Rick took a fish and slapped me with it

Like??????? Out of nowhere??????? And just??????????????????????????????????

I had to reread that part multiple times and I was still confused?

Do you want to make a DM specifically for this lol you too, Linn

Also all of his POC characters were icky and he did no research on any minority characters at all and I hate it

oo yes make a dm

On it!

Also all of his POC characters were icky and he did no research on any minority characters at all and I hate it

and yes!!! the only thing I liked about the movies was POC Grover

Also all of his POC characters were icky and he did no research on any minority characters at all and I hate it

and yes!!! the only thing I liked about the movies was POC Grover

They kinda just made him into the "Black Best Friend" trope though

Also all of his POC characters were icky and he did no research on any minority characters at all and I hate it

and yes!!! the only thing I liked about the movies was POC Grover

They kinda just made him into the "Black Best Friend" trope though

yeah true true

hot take: none of the canon pjo characters were even as good as we imagine them to be, the canon kinda sucked especially in the second series and its fanon that made them any good. fanon reyna? fanon nico(hes an annoying preteen mcr loving emo shit in canon, i said what i said)? fanon piper is god tier but canon piper was a hot mess written by a white man who didnt realize trying isnt always the best option

The above also goes for Warriors.

hot take: none of the canon pjo characters were even as good as we imagine them to be, the canon kinda sucked especially in the second series and its fanon that made them any good. fanon reyna? fanon nico(hes an annoying preteen mcr loving emo shit in canon, i said what i said)? fanon piper is god tier but canon piper was a hot mess written by a white man who didnt realize trying isnt always the best option

Yes

hot take: none of the canon pjo characters were even as good as we imagine them to be, the canon kinda sucked especially in the second series and its fanon that made them any good. fanon reyna? fanon nico(hes an annoying preteen mcr loving emo shit in canon, i said what i said)? fanon piper is god tier but canon piper was a hot mess written by a white man who didnt realize trying isnt always the best option

Yes

For sure. RR tried to force in so many new leads in the second series that none got developed beyond baseline characteristics (something that also wasn't helped by 1) the weird way he wrote the women of color, 2) third person POV, 3) so many POV switches a book, and 4) having nine major characters with perspectives split over 5 books) and even Percy and Annabeth didn't really grow at all.

And that would be one reason I struggle to work on my draft cause I have a lot of characters and everyone is important but I need to stick to one POV)

Me: sticks to a whole 5 POVs 👀👀👀
Bad habit, but I think it runs smoothly enough in 3rd person, as long as you give proper exposition when you switch.

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