Ok, ok, I get it now. I was viewing neopronouns as something that they weren't.
I didn't know that they use these pronouns to try and get close to something that is close to their gender, I get it now.
I apologize if I've offended anyone, I was just trying to learn because, as someone who is raised by conservative/Christian parents, I have little to no knowledge about the subject, and I'm always willing to learn
If I ever come off as rude or disrespectful I deeply apologize. As someone who dwells in the lgtbq+ community, I never want to be disrespectful to who is in it as well. If anything I say is false, please let me know in the future.
Thank you to those who respectfully explained to me how I was wrong, I appreciate it.
aayyy mojack coming in with the resources none of us have lol
personally, i dont use neopronouns nor do i have them, so im not qualified to speak on a lot of what makes them valid or not, im just of the opinion that it doesnt matter if i dont get it, because they arent harming anyone and the people using them do get it and are comfortable using them, and that's what's important to me. thats what i tell my dad every time he does the 'i just dont get being nonbinary', and then he really doesnt have much else to say because he doesnt know how to argue that
Thanks for that valuable insight. That really helps me to understand more of how people who use neopronouns think and feel. I appreciate your response and it completely and totally helped to sway my views and opinions in the other direction. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Without that valuable information, I would still be uneducated.
I totally am not even more against it because of your hostility and unwillingness to try and help me understand, even though I clearly asked to learn because I know I am uneducated in this subject.
So thank you
Um.
Why is it our job to educate you? It was really really cool of Mojack and Owen to explain that to you, but they didn't have to. Google is in fact free, and you can do your own research. This is a chat for having debates, not for asking people to educate you. I'm really not trying to be rude, but it struck me as really weird that you were mad that someone didn't want to educate you and didn't want to tell you why you should just respect other people. You don't have to understand something to respect it. I'm glad that you understand and you grasp the concept now, but that's not our jobs.
Thanks for that valuable insight. That really helps me to understand more of how people who use neopronouns think and feel. I appreciate your response and it completely and totally helped to sway my views and opinions in the other direction. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Without that valuable information, I would still be uneducated.
I totally am not even more against it because of your hostility and unwillingness to try and help me understand, even though I clearly asked to learn because I know I am uneducated in this subject.
So thank you
Um.
Why is it our job to educate you? It was really really cool of Mojack and Owen to explain that to you, but they didn't have to. Google is in fact free, and you can do your own research. This is a chat for having debates, not for asking people to educate you. I'm really not trying to be rude, but it struck me as really weird that you were mad that someone didn't want to educate you and didn't want to tell you why you should just respect other people. You don't have to understand something to respect it. I'm glad that you understand and you grasp the concept now, but that's not our jobs.
Google can only do so much. I looked it up but was still confused. Google is a computer, you guys are humans. After looking into it on my own I was still confused, I didn't understand it so I came to a place where I thought people could help me understand it a little better.
I assumed that people could help me out rather than calling me a dick.
I was genuinely confused, and came out and said that I was wrong. I even came out and said that I was poorly educated and was asking for help.
People helped me out and it's cleared up now. I'm sorry that I caused such a fuss. I did what any other human should do in this situation, I asked for help. And if someone calling me a dick for that is ok, then I'm sorry.
I don't see why you're even pressed in the first place? I came with a conflicting opinion, in the debate chat thinking I was right, and I got proved wrong because I was miseducated. I even said I was uneducated.
Then, shortly after getting a mature response, I saw that I was indeed wrong and apologized several times..
And I never said "It's your job to educate me"
I retaliated because I came with a question and got called a dick for it.
You would too if you were confused with something, asked a question, and got treated like that.
"Google is a computer, you guys are humans" yeah so Google has more information lmao. Where do you think Mojack got their resources from?
And if your intention was to just ask a question, why not ask the LGBTQ chat or start a thread to ask instead of coming to the debate chat? You know, the chat where people argue and get into debates.
I'm honestly super confused rn, I literally asked a question in a 100 percent non-rude way, got attacked, then got answered. Apologized like four times for being disrespectful or rude, acknowledging that I was wrong. And this is still going on?
I mean, I don't see why you guys are pressed about this. The three people that answered me maturely weren't rude/disrespectful. They simply told me that I was wrong, and moved on. And I accepted that and moved on myself.
For real, Tom Riddle has been very civil this whole time. I really don't see where he faulted.
So you're just going to ignore your sarcastic pseudo-apology then?
I totally am not even more against it because of your hostility and unwillingness to try and help me understand, even though I clearly asked to learn because I know I am uneducated in this subject.
Namely when you said that because people said that the pronouns that other people use aren't any of your business? Saying that you're more against neopronouns because people didn't coddle you when you asked a question is why I called you a dick (when I then deleted since I thought it was too harsh), not because you just asked a question. I'm glad that you changed your mind but that entire paragraph was just petty bullshit.
Wow, ever consider that maybe other people's pronouns don't need to be things that you're "comfortable" with? Because they have nothing to do with you?
So we just gonna ignore your clearly sarcastic and passive-aggressive response to my question?
I replied sarcasm to your sarcasm.
Don't dish out what you cant take.
Wow, ever consider that maybe other people's pronouns don't need to be things that you're "comfortable" with? Because they have nothing to do with you?
So we just gonna ignore your clearly sarcastic and passive-aggressive response to my question?
I replied sarcasm to your sarcasm.
Don't dish out what you cant take.
Lmao if you think I can't take sarcasm, then you clearly don't know shit about me. Second, I absolutely stand by what I said: other people's pronouns have nothing to do with you, and they don't need to be things that you're "comfortable" with. Could I have phrased it better? Probably. Now, do you stand by the paragraph you wrote in response to my two sentences?
You know what's crazy?
I said that I replied with sarcasm to your sarcastic remark.
Here's the definition of sarcasm just in case you're still confused.
"Sarcasm refers to the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say, especially in order to insult someone, or to show irritation" Miriam webster dicionary.
In other words, I said the opposite of what I meant because I was irritated at your attack at me for asking to be educated.
Maybe it's for the best we just stop this one in its tracks.
I agree with Bec, I don't have the energy to continue a debate this fucking pointless.
I just want to say I apologize for starting a fight. I didn't mean anything by what I said, I was just confused and uneducated.
I also apologize for that sarcastic paragraph. That was way overstepping the line and I agree that I shouldn't have said that in response to what you said.
I'm also sorry for dragging this out longer than it should have been. I should have stopped where it was. So I take the blame completely.
It's my fault, and I apologize. <3
Personally I think that editing out the lines and pictures would maybe have been better than completely pulling them, but idk. From what I saw, they were pretty Yikes, especially for the target age demographic of Dr. Seuss books.
I mean, exposing kids to racist implications is not good. Now, if we pulled all dr Seuss books because he was racist, that seems like a bit much. He's dead. No longer profiting.
But racism isn't for children. By exposing them to even little microaggressions, we normalize certain phrases and viewpoints before they can understand why they're wrong.
Are there any specific examples of racists lines/illustrations you can think of? Because I knew there had been issues, but I never looked too far into it.
Personally I think that editing out the lines and pictures would maybe have been better than completely pulling them, but idk. From what I saw, they were pretty Yikes, especially for the target age demographic of Dr. Seuss books.
Yeah. I can agree with that. Still applies with my own response considered.
The titles of the ones being pulled are And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street, If I Ran the Zoo, McElligot's Pool, On Beyond Zebra!, Scrambled Eggs Super!, and The Cat's Quizzer. Most of it (at least what I've seen) is anti-Asian racism, both in drawings and lines.
Ah, I see. I've never read any of those. I'll go look it up if I get a minute
mulberry street was one of my mom's favorites and while it's not hella racist, it's definitely still influentially racist
This article has some pictures, the one of the black characters in If I Ran the Zoo is definitely among the worst offenders.
i mean, dr seuss was a political cartoonist during ww11 who created quite a few comics centered on 'yellow fever' and internment, so i get why his works feature so much anti asian shit. its not okay, duh, but i do get why it was so common in some of those
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