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How you react to a split second situation doesn't dictate your moral code

I thought about this yesterday. I disagree a little bit.

How you react to a split second situation doesn't dictate your moral code

I thought about this yesterday. I disagree a little bit.

When you're in a life or death situation, or just a simulation like what we were discussing, your heart is pounding, your palms are sweaty. You don't have time to think about the right thing to do. You have to react now, because if you don't, you or someone else could die. You don't get the luxury of those precious seconds to decide the moral way to do things. You freeze, you run, or you fight. You don't wonder "hmm is it against my moral code to punch someone". Whether or not you think it's right to punch someone, you'd punch them when it came down to it. You do what it takes to survive, because no matter what guidelines you set for yourself, you do what you have to survive, because at your core, your instincts don't care about what's the right thing to do, they care about keeping you alive and getting you out of the situation. Your instincts are separate from your morals.

How you react to a split second situation doesn't dictate your moral code

I thought about this yesterday. I disagree a little bit.

Dom
Say you're a decent person, you don't fight, very passive
Then somebody tries to murder you or some shit
Life or death
You're probably gonna want to live, so you beat the shit outta that murderer

It kind of depends. Has the person taken a vow of nonviolence of something?

How you react to a split second situation doesn't dictate your moral code

I thought about this yesterday. I disagree a little bit.

When you're in a life or death situation, or just a simulation like what we were discussing, your heart is pounding, your palms are sweaty. You don't have time to think about the right thing to do. You have to react now, because if you don't, you or someone else could die. You don't get the luxury of those precious seconds to decide the moral way to do things. You freeze, you run, or you fight. You don't wonder "hmm is it against my moral code to punch someone". Whether or not you think it's right to punch someone, you'd punch them when it came down to it. You do what it takes to survive, because no matter what guidelines you set for yourself, you do what you have to survive, because at your core, your instincts don't care about what's the right thing to do, they care about keeping you alive and getting you out of the situation. Your instincts are separate from your morals.

But it's not about thinking. If a person is trained in swordplay, and someone swipes at you, you parry without thinking. if you build up a code or skill or habit inside of yourself, it will be branded to your bones. You won't have to think about it. You change your instincts based on the way you have chosen to live.

How you react to a split second situation doesn't dictate your moral code

I thought about this yesterday. I disagree a little bit.

When you're in a life or death situation, or just a simulation like what we were discussing, your heart is pounding, your palms are sweaty. You don't have time to think about the right thing to do. You have to react now, because if you don't, you or someone else could die. You don't get the luxury of those precious seconds to decide the moral way to do things. You freeze, you run, or you fight. You don't wonder "hmm is it against my moral code to punch someone". Whether or not you think it's right to punch someone, you'd punch them when it came down to it. You do what it takes to survive, because no matter what guidelines you set for yourself, you do what you have to survive, because at your core, your instincts don't care about what's the right thing to do, they care about keeping you alive and getting you out of the situation. Your instincts are separate from your morals.

But it's not about thinking. If a person is trained in swordplay, and someone swipes at you, you parry without thinking. if you build up a code or skill or habit inside of yourself, it will be branded to your bones. You won't have to think about it. You change your instincts based on the way you have chosen to live.

You regularly practice swordfighting. You don't regularly practice being kidnapped or someone pointing a gun at you.

True. But where does a moral code keep a person from defending themselves in such a situation? And if it did, wouldn't that mean that the person would have had to make the choice and thus face the possibilities? Granted, they might slip in such a case because of having no practice, but this could be blamed on the highest stakes of personal protection. The theory could easily not hold true for lesser stressors.

True. But where does a moral code keep a person from defending themselves in such a situation?

Our whole point is that it doesn't

And if it did, wouldn't that mean that the person would have had to make the choice and thus face the possibilities?

You see an opportunity and take it, again, you don't have time to weigh your options to see which is the most moral.

Granted, they might slip in such a case because of having no practice, but this could be blamed on the highest stakes of personal protection. The theory could easily not hold true for lesser stressors.

I don't even know what this says

Granted, they might slip in such a case because of having no practice, but this could be blamed on the highest stakes of personal protection. The theory could easily not hold true for lesser stressors.

I don't even know what this says

They could fuck up in a life/death situation because they didn't prepare themselves and-
I have no fucking clue what the rest says but 'lesser stressors' rhymes and that pleases my toddler brain

True. But where does a moral code keep a person from defending themselves in such a situation?

Our whole point is that it doesn't

I thought the point was that people making a split second decision didn't art all define their beliefs.

And if it did, wouldn't that mean that the person would have had to make the choice and thus face the possibilities?

You see an opportunity and take it, again, you don't have time to weigh your options to see which is the most moral.

I'm saying that the person would have considered it before.

Granted, they might slip in such a case because of having no practice, but this could be blamed on the highest stakes of personal protection. The theory could easily not hold true for lesser stressors.

I don't even know what this says

Person might screw up in the heat of the moment because threat of death be like that sometimes and you can't really practice making the right decision.
But that doesn't mean they would screw up on less stressful things if they had made a habit of their belief.

I feel like the Divergent test is ruined by the fact that's just a glorified virtual reality experience where each item choice directly corresponds with a faction and doesn't really allow room for unorthodox responses. It's like the meme where people are discussing people's homemade Hogwarts house quizzes where it's like "how do you brush your teeth? A) Bravely, 2) Evilly, 3) While reading a book or 4) Nicely"
For example, lying to the threatening man on the bus automatically gets you out of Candor, regardless of your reasoning for doing so. One lie (while under duress) in a life of honesty is enough to make you ineligible for that faction.

You're right. I always hate tests like that. It's rare that I fit in most of the answers.

I'm a compulsive liar
I have aggressive tendencies
I'm a dumbass
I'm a selfish bitch
And I'm a coward

What now

Um…. pick one to work on? I used to be pretty aggressive and a straight up asshole at times. But I'm not anymore.

I just-
The honesty test is a man holding up a picture of someone you vaguely recognize and threateningly asking if you know them/where they are. And apparently to not out someone who you don't even know anything about to a man who seems to want to threaten their life is dishonest? Yes, they could be guilty of some hideous crime, but they could also be innocent and you have no way of telling. A better test would be to see if you could pick up on any tells that the man has (after asking why he wants to know about the person) to see if he's being dishonest.

Yeah. Honesty is an inherent good. But like, everything in it's proper doses. Sometimes honesty be a bad idea.

I think I found a possible topic in my notifications today

Seems pretty simple. Stars have no noticeable affect on our lives ('Cept for the sun ofc.). And there's no good reason to believe they do from what I know.

Yeah, horoscope stuff is a scam.

^^ very big scam

(I really love iilluminaughtii :D) I think horoscope stuff is fun until you get people to pay for it or actually scam people. I don't believe in it, but I think horoscope Instagram and Twitter pages that just make posts about it are fine, but "astrologers" who charge people in vulnerable places to hear things that won't really help them are shady and bad.

It's fake and I get most people realize that and just think it's fun but… what's fun about it??

Personally I like it for the same reason I like MBTI and things like that. When it is right, it's just kind of amusing and weirdly affirming. And since so many people like it casually, it feels like you're a part of something when you participate in it and go with all the jokes- unless you're letting it define everything about you, it''s pretty harmless. I also have friends with BPD who have trouble with their identity and it's just easy for them to hang onto the "correct" aspects of their sign as a way to help define themselves, which is a healthier coping mechanism for them as far as things go as long as they don't take it too far.

(I really love iilluminaughtii :D) I think horoscope stuff is fun until you get people to pay for it or actually scam people. I don't believe in it, but I think horoscope Instagram and Twitter pages that just make posts about it are fine, but "astrologers" who charge people in vulnerable places to hear things that won't really help them are shady and bad.

Agreed. I don't care about my horoscope beyond the "signs as X" memes and going "aha I'm an Aries", but I get if others take it more seriously. But scamming people is where I draw the line.

Is anyone here opposed to gay/equal marriage?

I don't think so. Normally I'm the most "politically extreme" person around, besides the occasional whackos that leave after a few days. I think marriage licenses shouldn't exist though. (Though I guess I do oppose gay marriage, but I would vote pro gay so Idk if that counts plus you probably knew that already.)

I think marriage licenses shouldn't exist though.

Sorry what

I suppose I also oppose gay marriage as well, but it’s not my business on what people do in their bedrooms or for their love life. I’d probably lean towards voting pro-gay, or at the very least not really caring too much on that sort of stuff.

I think marriage licenses shouldn't exist though.

Sorry what

They were invented to help gov stop interracial marriage and now serve nothing but giving the gov more money to legally go through a tradition formed at the beginning of the world that should be left to religious bodies or just any random person instead of being another thing the government meddles with.