Pretty much anyone from a predominantly white ancestry probably had some form of slavery involvement. I don’t know for sure on my family, but we’re swiss, and while swiss aren’t really known for involvement in slavery, we did play a part in it. And just given the fact a good portion of my ancestors were farmers, I would think at least a few owned slaves, and there was more than likely some racism, because teachings and opinions were different back then.
And to add on, slavery occurs not just in white communities, but in all sorts of communities.
Looking at America from my country and comparing it to others I can firmly say it’s freer than some other places, but I’m glad to not have been born in it. And it’s got a lot of flaws, particularly some major ones that should be changed and replaced with a better system (I’m looking at the police system especially. I believe in a law enforcement of some type, but what’s going on right now isn’t good.)
And change never comes easy, since America is a big country with a lot of people who disagree and agree and all sorts of stuff which seems all so incredibly chaotic. A friend asked me what I thought of America right now, my answer was “chaotic.”
I'm trying to have an honest debate, but I can't do that when you don't acknowledge peoples points
I've sent you a link to a really informative thread
Pickles sent you a link to a website about Why you shouldn't use ALM
I've posted facts and tried to educate you and so have others
So you're really going to tell me that I'm being "unfair?"
I mean you're doing a lot more than being patriotic. Be patriotic. It's a good thing. But also temper it with the knowledge that America still has a long way to go and is making several weighty mistakes.
Well said, I completely agree with you, we shouldn't beat people up just because they made mistakes you should point them out and try to help them fix it but never beat them up, it helps no one.
Why am I getting yelled at for expressing my opinions in a chat that's MADE FOR THAT? I wasn't even rude about it. And I apologized for the way I've acted before but nobody will give me a second chance. I'm really frustrated.
Expressing your opinion is fine, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HURT NOR MIS EDUCATE PEOPLEE.
Also you're not entitled to a second chance. Stop acting like your slate's wiped clean because of an apology, especially when you continue to act the exact same way.
This is not the exact same way. I'm not seeking attention I'm debating.
Do you understand the concept of playing the victim???? Because that's what she's talking about.
My crime here is liking Ron Swanson and not fully agreeing with BLM's methods.
Here's actual debate material. What don't you like about BLM methods?
Why am I getting yelled at for expressing my opinions in a chat that's MADE FOR THAT? I wasn't even rude about it. And I apologized for the way I've acted before but nobody will give me a second chance. I'm really frustrated.
Expressing your opinion is fine, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HURT NOR MIS EDUCATE PEOPLEE.
"I'll respect your opinion as long as it doesn't disrespect someone else's existence" comes to mind. I agree completely. You're allowed to have an opinion when you're educated and not hurting people.
Am I hurting people? If so, how? Keep in mind, I'm 15 and not even someone who talks often about politics IRL. It's not like I have a loyal army of people to influence.
Why am I getting yelled at for expressing my opinions in a chat that's MADE FOR THAT? I wasn't even rude about it. And I apologized for the way I've acted before but nobody will give me a second chance. I'm really frustrated.
Expressing your opinion is fine, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HURT NOR MIS EDUCATE PEOPLEE.
"I'll respect your opinion as long as it doesn't disrespect someone else's existence" comes to mind. I agree completely. You're allowed to have an opinion when you're educated and not hurting people.
Am I hurting people? If so, how? Keep in mind, I'm 15 and not even someone who talks often about politics IRL. It's not like I have a loyal army of people to influence.
I'm 13 and still more educated than you. Your age is not an excuse.
My crime here is liking Ron Swanson and not fully agreeing with BLM's methods.
Here's actual debate material. What don't you like about BLM methods?
I disagree with violent protests and some of the things they say really seem like they want ALL white people to feel bad. And If violence is what they're protesting, why cause more violence while protesting, and steal things and destroy people's livelihood? I think we need kindness and not hate. Of course, that means people oppressing African Americans need to be kind too, but why can't the protesters lead by example?
What about the rioting?
Let's get one thing straight here. The rioters and the protesters are 2 separate groups. The rioters are usually white supremacists, people hired to make the protesters look bad, opportunistic people, and even the police themselves causing damage to property. There are even videos of protesters handing over rioters to the police. If anything, the police are the ones who are being violent and escalating the situation even more by shooting protesters AND MEDICS (Shooting medics is a war crime.)
with rubber bullets, spraying pepper spray and mace, and throwing tear gas.
Also, for people saying all the rioters are not BLM, some of them are. And I disagree with riots.
I'm trying to have an honest debate, but I can't do that when you don't acknowledge peoples points
I've sent you a link to a really informative thread
Pickles sent you a link to a website about Why you shouldn't use ALM
I've posted facts and tried to educate you and so have others
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And you just ignore them. Brooklyn made a whole-ass post of different anti-BLM talking points and debunking them, it's on the main page of the general chat. You seem to be actively ignoring any chances of actual education, which is, quite frankly, immature and babyish.
I'm 13 and still more educated than you. Your age is not an excuse.
Beautiful. I can't believe such a well spoken youngling has come into our midst. So proud.
My crime here is liking Ron Swanson and not fully agreeing with BLM's methods.
Here's actual debate material. What don't you like about BLM methods?
I disagree with violent protests and some of the things they say really seem like they want ALL white people to feel bad. And If violence is what they're protesting, why cause more violence while protesting, and steal things and destroy people's livelihood? I think we need kindness and not hate. Of course, that means people oppressing African Americans need to be kind too, but why can't the protesters lead by example?
The protests will be peaceful when the police are. ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU TO FEEL GUILTY, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE PROBLEMS AND HELP US FIX THEM.
What about the rioting?
Let's get one thing straight here. The rioters and the protesters are 2 separate groups. The rioters are usually white supremacists, people hired to make the protesters look bad, opportunistic people, and even the police themselves causing damage to property. There are even videos of protesters handing over rioters to the police. If anything, the police are the ones who are being violent and escalating the situation even more by shooting protesters AND MEDICS (Shooting medics is a war crime.)
with rubber bullets, spraying pepper spray and mace, and throwing tear gas.
I know a police officer who said that people have been throwing things at her. Full cans, which are heavy and can leave a mark. People are instigating things, not just cops.
I'm 13 and still more educated than you. Your age is not an excuse.
Beautiful. I can't believe such a well spoken youngling has come into our midst. So proud.
(Thank you, Dom? That's your name right? Am I allowed to use it?)
What about the rioting?
Let's get one thing straight here. The rioters and the protesters are 2 separate groups. The rioters are usually white supremacists, people hired to make the protesters look bad, opportunistic people, and even the police themselves causing damage to property. There are even videos of protesters handing over rioters to the police. If anything, the police are the ones who are being violent and escalating the situation even more by shooting protesters AND MEDICS (Shooting medics is a war crime.)
with rubber bullets, spraying pepper spray and mace, and throwing tear gas.
I know a police officer who said that people have been throwing things at her. Full cans, which are heavy and can leave a mark. People are instigating things, not just cops.
And cops aren't people?
People are doing that shit to cops because, guess what, cops do that shit to other people. Does that mean protesters start everything? No. Is it fair that all cops are treated that way? No.
Here's actual debate material. What don't you like about BLM methods?
I disagree with violent protests and some of the things they say really seem like they want ALL white people to feel bad.
Hmm.
And If violence is what they're protesting, why cause more violence while protesting, and steal things and destroy people's livelihood? I think we need kindness and not hate.
Well most protesters aren't rioters as far as it seems.
Of course, that means people oppressing African Americans need to be kind too, but why can't the protesters lead by example?
What do you want? The protests are nice enough, most of them.
Okay I'm done debating for now. I'll read more soon and maybe I'll understand. (Also I'm 15 and well spoken but suddenly it doesn't matter if I don't agree with everyone)
What about the rioting?
Let's get one thing straight here. The rioters and the protesters are 2 separate groups. The rioters are usually white supremacists, people hired to make the protesters look bad, opportunistic people, and even the police themselves causing damage to property. There are even videos of protesters handing over rioters to the police. If anything, the police are the ones who are being violent and escalating the situation even more by shooting protesters AND MEDICS (Shooting medics is a war crime.)
with rubber bullets, spraying pepper spray and mace, and throwing tear gas.
I know a police officer who said that people have been throwing things at her. Full cans, which are heavy and can leave a mark. People are instigating things, not just cops.
Alright, I'm not supporting that.
But what about the 14 year old boy who was shot in the face at a protest
Or the 9 year old who was pepper sprayed
Or the women who was pushed to the ground and had a seizure
Or the Police officers who drove over a crowd of protesters
Or the Officers who pushed that old man to the ground
My crime here is liking Ron Swanson and not fully agreeing with BLM's methods.
Here's actual debate material. What don't you like about BLM methods?
I disagree with violent protests and some of the things they say really seem like they want ALL white people to feel bad. And If violence is what they're protesting, why cause more violence while protesting, and steal things and destroy people's livelihood? I think we need kindness and not hate. Of course, that means people oppressing African Americans need to be kind too, but why can't the protesters lead by example?
The protests will be peaceful when the police are. ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU TO FEEL GUILTY, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE PROBLEMS AND HELP US FIX THEM.
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I swear, I'm about to fully break Eris's rules and straight up make those letters big.
Friendly reminder that the right to protest is a fundamental American right <3
What about the rioting?
Let's get one thing straight here. The rioters and the protesters are 2 separate groups. The rioters are usually white supremacists, people hired to make the protesters look bad, opportunistic people, and even the police themselves causing damage to property. There are even videos of protesters handing over rioters to the police. If anything, the police are the ones who are being violent and escalating the situation even more by shooting protesters AND MEDICS (Shooting medics is a war crime.)
with rubber bullets, spraying pepper spray and mace, and throwing tear gas.
I know a police officer who said that people have been throwing things at her. Full cans, which are heavy and can leave a mark. People are instigating things, not just cops.
Alright, I'm not supporting that.
But what about the 14 year old boy who was shot in the face at a protest
Or the 9 year old who was pepper sprayed
Or the women who was pushed to the ground and had a seizure
Or the Police officers who drove over a crowd of protesters
Or the Officers who pushed that old man to the ground
I think that's all TERRIBLE and I never said it wasn't.
Friendly reminder that the right to protest is a fundamental American right <3
Exactly! That's why I love America!
Okay I'm done debating for now. I'll read more soon and maybe I'll understand. (Also I'm 15 and well spoken but suddenly it doesn't matter if I don't agree with everyone)
NO GET BACK HERE, WE'RE NOT DONE TALKING, YOU STILL HAVEN'T AT LEAST EDUCATED YOURSELF NOR ACKNOWLEDGED THE PROBLEM, YOU CAN'T JUST RUN AWAY FROM THEM
I'm 13 and still more educated than you. Your age is not an excuse.
Beautiful. I can't believe such a well spoken youngling has come into our midst. So proud.
(Thank you, Dom? That's your name right? Am I allowed to use it?)
You are most welcome. Of course you may. Dad Mode™ has kicked in and I am Happy with this child.
I agree that our country isn't perfect. We are nowhere near perfect. We have so many issues, racism being one of them. I believe that we shouldn't be afraid to point out the flaws in our country, but I also think it's okay to see the good. Having free speech doesn't make us perfect. It may not even make us great. Again, we still have bucketloads of other issues. And it doesn't make up for the other serious issues. But at least it's something.
Okay I'm done debating for now. I'll read more soon and maybe I'll understand. (Also I'm 15 and well spoken but suddenly it doesn't matter if I don't agree with everyone)
Stop. Playing. The. Victim. I ask again. Do you know what that means? Do you know what it means when people tell you you're playing the victim?
And again. Stop assuming you know what people think based on what it seems.
Okay I'm done debating for now. I'll read more soon and maybe I'll understand. (Also I'm 15 and well spoken but suddenly it doesn't matter if I don't agree with everyone)
NO GET BACK HERE, WE'RE NOT DONE TALKING, YOU STILL HAVEN'T AT LEAST EDUCATED YOURSELF NOR ACKNOWLEDGED THE PROBLEM, YOU CAN'T JUST RUN AWAY FROM THEM
I told you I'm going to read more? As in what you and Pickles linked me to?
