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@Althalosian-is-the-father book

Yes, but if that stranger has recently talked about really wanting to kill your best friend and you see them casually walk past in the direction of their house with multiple weapons and despite seeing a cop standing conveniently nearby you don’t do a thing about it cause it’s not your business, yeah it’s kind of your fault

These illnesses are known to kill. If you are fully aware of this, choose not to prevent any disaster with those convenient vaccines, and still let your child go hang out with poor little billy, you should take all the guilt if billy ends up dead at age 7 from preventable disease.

The difference is that illness isn't definite.

But the vaccine can kill as well.(Refuted, or at least mostly so.) Because it gives you the disease. People walk around, thinking the vaccine will protect them and then go back to work 15 minutes later and shed the virus everywhere. To be fair, this is a problem with people not the vaccine, but it's possible that the people who act in this manner (most), are actually more of a risk than unvaccinated people.
But that isn't what your thing was about.
Obviously if you have the disease you should stay home. But yes, I suppose the death is sort of your fault. But see my earlier metaphor.

@Althalosian-is-the-father book

  1. A parent cannot do whatever they wish with their child. Such authority is theirs to protect said child, not to donate their organs. It's the only good Paternalism.

You know damn well that that wasn't the point I made. If that was your takeaway, then fine, I guess it didn't get through to you, but don't think you can misconstrue my words and the argument I provided.

Ah. Forgive me. But what I mean is that parental authority is for the purpose of protecting that child. Anything else is not the right of the parent to do. Granted, that means it is the right of the parent to insist on vaccinating the child (until 18 I suppose). But all this is to go back to the argument that a fetus delivered to death and used for medical purpose is legitimate as the parent in a way consented.

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But the vaccine can kill as well.

I disagree.

It does not.

Not nearly as much as the disease itself. The vaccines usually harness dead versions of the virus called antibodies. Antibodies are the things in your immune system that help your body from catching the same sickness twice (if I sound elementary in my explanation it’s because I was under the pretense that you knew this. You clearly do not.). Which is usually why, during flu season, if you get sick once, you’re fine for the rest of the season, for you have those specific antibodies for that specific strand of the flu.

Instead of making you sick, vaccines will give you those antibodies. Depending on your immune system, you have a chance of getting sick, but not NEARLY as much as the actual disease will give you.

For example, I get the flu shot every year. I’m extremely susceptible to infection due to early childhood disease called Meningitis, which weakened my immunity. Without flu shots, I’d be a runner up for someone to get the flu (without the flu shot) and die. The flu, nor any other type of disease with a vaccine, like polio, yellow fever, or measles, will fuck around. They can and will kill anyone with weakened immunity or are susceptible to diseases like that.

So yes, you’ll probably get a little headache or stomach pain, but you won’t get horribly horribly sick as those diseases will do to you.

~Medical PSA over~

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have we discussed trans-species yet? because–

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identifying as a gender is not the same as identifying as a fucking animal

@berlioz

I guess I can make a statement.

Anyone who truly believes they are something other than human is experiencing a delusion and/or has a mental disturbance.
For example, people with Dissociative Identity Disorder. Some alters may not be human- this is because alters are formed due to trauma, and usually when the patient is young. In dumbed down terms, imagine a young girl has experienced trauma- she wishes she were strong, like a dragon. Her brain creates a seperate alter that's a dragon so she can be strong. Imagine a young boy is traumatized- he wishes he were invisible, maybe even dead. He develops a dead alter, a ghost. DID is a coping mechanism, and patients may use fantasy and fiction to cope. It's not uncommon.
Other trans-species people may have a different illness, like schizoaffective disorder, schizophrenia, and other mood+thought disorders that can cause delusions and hallucinations.
That being said, there're trans-species people who don't truly believe they're not human. They're just really into hardcore body-alteration, make-believe, and being and oddball.

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

As in "on all levels except physical, I am a wolf" trans-species?

Apparently the person in that vine later came out as a trans woman, iirc

@berlioz

They're just really into *hardcore body-alteration, make-believe, and being and oddball.

Which is super valid imo.

Yeah, pretty much. But of course there are boundaries no one ought to overstep.

@Althalosian-is-the-father book

identifying as a gender is not the same as identifying as a fucking animal

Oh yes. Clarification. Transexual is the same formula. Transgender to me seems a bit harder to define since no one sticks to a definition. Does it mean the sex or the set of values and expectations and such that is sometimes called gender? But I've also heard that gender equates to what society sees you as. Which in that case, it would be nearly impossible to be transgender. But if we go to the Trans in the Bathroom then I would think it equates to sex.

@Althalosian-is-the-father book

They're just really into *hardcore body-alteration, make-believe, and being and oddball.

Which is super valid imo.

Yeah, pretty much. But of course there are boundaries no one ought to overstep.

Yeah. But I think many of them are arbitrarily set and perhaps should be broken.

@berlioz

They're just really into *hardcore body-alteration, make-believe, and being and oddball.

Which is super valid imo.

Yeah, pretty much. But of course there are boundaries no one ought to overstep.

Yeah. But I think many of them are arbitrarily set and perhaps should be broken.

I can agree there. But of someone is getting thousands of dollars worth plastic surgery so they can ascend to their true elfin form,,,, something's up lol.

@Pickles group

identifying as a gender is not the same as identifying as a fucking animal

Oh yes. Clarification. Transexual is the same formula. Transgender to me seems a bit harder to define since no one sticks to a definition. Does it mean the sex or the set of values and expectations and such that is sometimes called gender? But I've also heard that gender equates to what society sees you as. Which in that case, it would be nearly impossible to be transgender. But if we go to the Trans in the Bathroom then I would think it equates to sex.

I understand approximately 20% of this

@Althalosian-is-the-father book

I can agree there. But of someone is getting thousands of dollars worth plastic surgery so they can ascend to their true elfin form,,,, something's up lol.

Especially since anyone why actually knows about elves would know without asking that an elfin form is truly unattainable.

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

They're just really into *hardcore body-alteration, make-believe, and being and oddball.

Which is super valid imo.

Yeah, pretty much. But of course there are boundaries no one ought to overstep.

Yeah. But I think many of them are arbitrarily set and perhaps should be broken.

I can agree there. But of someone is getting thousands of dollars worth plastic surgery so they can ascend to their true elfin form,,,, something's up lol.

Have you seen that story about the lady that tried to surgically alter herself into some sorta rabbit?

@berlioz

I can agree there. But of someone is getting thousands of dollars worth plastic surgery so they can ascend to their true elfin form,,,, something's up lol.

Especially since anyone why actually knows about elves would know without asking that an elfin form is truly unattainable.

Lol, yes, of course.

@berlioz

Have you seen that story about the lady that tried to surgically alter herself into some sorta rabbit?

nO

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

Have you seen that story about the lady that tried to surgically alter herself into some sorta rabbit?

nO

To make her grandkids love her or something? I read about it in a guinness world records book when I was in middle school and it never fully left me

@Pickles group

If ya wanna be an elf that bad, go to the Renaissance festival with like 30 or 50 bucks and get yourself some glue on ears and spirit gum like a normal person

@Pickles group

Have you seen that story about the lady that tried to surgically alter herself into some sorta rabbit?

nO

To make her grandkids love her or something? I read about it in a guinness world records book when I was in middle school and it never fully left me

It's not leaving me any time soon

@berlioz

Have you seen that story about the lady that tried to surgically alter herself into some sorta rabbit?

nO

To make her grandkids love her or something? I read about it in a guinness world records book when I was in middle school and it never fully left me

It's not leaving me any time soon

That's unfortunate and disturbing.

@evastardust groupRRAAAARRL

Have you seen that story about the lady that tried to surgically alter herself into some sorta rabbit?

nO

To make her grandkids love her or something? I read about it in a guinness world records book when I was in middle school and it never fully left me

It's not leaving me any time soon

That's unfortunate and disturbing.

Mmmhmm
Also that guy who got surgery to look like Shrek
And that guy that got surgery to look like some KPOP dude