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Started March 14, 2019 by Deleted user

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Wait! Eris do you have pretty magic rocks?

I do. They are so pretty.
There's a picture of them on Discord

Boom. Miri doesn't want to talk about the magic rocks. So why do you believe in the pretty magic rocks?

I have a debate issue that recently appeared for me ten minutes ago.
Required readings in English classes that have explicit content. Thoughts and opinions?

I have a debate issue that recently appeared for me ten minutes ago.
Required readings in English classes that have explicit content. Thoughts and opinions?

Depends. Is it at a high school level or a collegiate level?

In Druidry–or any other craft–it is believed that everything in this world contains energy, or has a life. Everything.
As a practitioner, we 'have access' to the energies that flow through the world and can use it to guide us, strengthen us, provide comfort, heal, cast spells…etc. We use it to ast our intent into the world to shape reality to our desire.

Now.
The stones.

They are naturally occurring….springs, if you will….that hold onto that energy given to them by the universe (or which ever deity(ies) one believes in) that we practitioners can use over and over again for pretty much anything. It helps us hone our craft, talk to our deity(ies), extend our energies to other people.

Is kind of a loaded question–it's like asking why a Christian believes in the cross.
We believe because it makes sense to us in our hearts, our souls. This is how we connect to a greater ''''''consciousness''''''

kind of a weird roundabout way of explaining but I added in some additional info.

Is kind of a loaded question–it's like asking why a Christian believes in the cross.
We believe because it makes sense to us in our hearts, our souls. This is how we connect to a greater ''''''consciousness''''''

Well I wouldn't believe in Jesus these days if I didn't have reasons to consider Christianity pretty logically stable.
Are you saying you believe in it because feelings?

I have a debate issue that recently appeared for me ten minutes ago.
Required readings in English classes that have explicit content. Thoughts and opinions?

Depends on the content. Some uses of "fuck"? As long as you're not giving it to middle schoolers, go ahead. Long explicit sex scenes? Maybe in an AP course, but I wouldn't hand it to a ninth grade english class. I also think that the topic of the book should play into it, because if you're refusing to teach a book that could really impact kids because the narrator swears, drinks, or mentions sex, that's sort of ridiculous. For example, banning The Hate U Give because Starr sometimes swears, and mentions sex (which is ironic, since there's no sex scenes in the book, and when Starr asks Chris to have sex with her, they discuss the possibilities of pregnancy and that she's not in a good state of mind at the time) when it covers such an important topic. Or banning The Catcher In The Rye because of the scene with Holden and Sunny, when the whole point of the scene is that he doesn't have sex with her, are you jackasses even reading the books you ban?! but anyways you could maybe make a case for not teaching Catcher to ninth graders (though I'd vehemently disagree based solely on its impact one me) due to other content, but you absolutely cannot make that argument for THUG.

And all practitioners find their craft logical.

Are you saying you believe in it because feelings?

what Eris said explains everything tbh

College level? Go hog wild. Give them Titus Fucking Andronicus if you want (oops I read that in 9th grade), there are no rules here.

Another case of really stupid challenging is This One Summer by Mariko Tamaki, a book I ironically actually really dislike, mainly because I think the main character never grows out of her "not like other girls"/slutshame-y behavior. But challenging it for "mature themes" (aka discussing divorce, teen pregnancy, and growing up) and "LGBT content" (aka one of the characters mentioning having an aunt who's a lesbian and literally mentioned once) is ridiculous.

I have a debate issue that recently appeared for me ten minutes ago.
Required readings in English classes that have explicit content. Thoughts and opinions?

I have such mixed feelings on this because on the one hand I'm like "I think that older high school students could probably handle it" but then I immediately remembered being in a vet assistant class with a bunch of 20+ year olds and no one could keep a straight face when the teacher said "bitch" (as in an actual female dog).

I guess if I were to make a case against this though, it wouldn't be because I think it's not appropriate for the age level and more just because I think that some kids are super immature. Once you get to like grade 11/12 (maybe even grade 10?) most students are going to be at least somewhat familiar with explicit content. Like, maybe they've seen a sex scene in a movie or tv show or something like that. At the very least, they know what it is, so guess I just don't really see a need to "protect" them (for lack of a better word) from that kind of content.

Although, when I think back to some of the kids in my English classes, I kind of just know that certain kids would just absolutely be losing their shit if we had to read through an explicit scene.

I'm just now realizing that if I ever publish anything, one of them would definitely get banned. A little weird to think about.

Well
Doing research into banned books, TIL that Speak by Laurie Halse Anderson–you know, that famous book about

–was banned for being "pornographic", and my faith in humanity is now lost.

That's just terrible. Humans suck.

I'm sorry, but if you're getting turned on while reading that, the issue is not with the book.
In this case, anyways. There are authors who romanticize

but I've read Speak and it definitely does not.

Speak is good
I own it

I agree.

The graphic novel is amazing, some of the best art I've seen in one.

I'm reading through these lists and they're wild. Apparently The Hunger Games is anti-family??? despite the entire plot happening because Katniss loves her sister so much that she's willing to die for her??? And apparently Saga is anti-family too, and while I haven't read it yet, isn't it about a couple that's literally on the run because they love each other and aren't allowed to be together due to laws? How much more pro-family can you get than "I'm so devoted to my siblings that I would give my life for them" and "I would risk it all to be with the person I love"? People baffle me sometimes, they really do.

The graphic novel is amazing, some of the best art I've seen in one.

Agreed. I really did love the graphic novel and the regular version. I recommended it to almost everyone I knew because it has a special place in my heart among literature.

Notebook I read Nie's comment, stop saying that I didn't-

Oof.

now it's doing that to me with Nie's other comment

And all practitioners find their craft logical.

Are you saying you believe in it because feelings?

Not at all (except subconsciously). It sounded like you were saying that with "We believe because it makes sense to us in our hearts, our souls. This is how we connect to a greater ''consciousness''".

I would chime in about the books, but you guys seem to have a good handle on it. No sex scenes until college I'd say.

I would chime in about the books, but you guys seem to have a good handle on it. No sex scenes until college I'd say.

So high schoolers shouldn't be taught 1984 because of the sex? I think that the message is important enough to warrant it being allowed.

Oof you got me there.

Also I feel like banning teaching books with sexual content from being taught would definitely devolve into a slippery slope situation (sorry for using that fallacy lol), seeing as people are already banning books that include

queer characters, books that deal with teenage coming-of-age and sexual awakening, and sometimes even just books that include kissing (apparently someone tried to ban The Hunger Games for "sexual content" when the most sexual thing in the book is Peeta and Katniss's few kisses) under the vague banner of "sexual content".

The ALA's website is a really good resource to see specific bannings and reasonings, 10/10 would recommend.