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@Pickles group

"obscenity, defamation, fraud, incitement, true threats and speech integral to already criminal conduct." This is what Chicago Tribune says aren't protected, which is what I'm seeing elsewhere too. I saw something about hate crimes, but hate speech is legal, just widely regarded (including by the Supreme Court) really shitty
"public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation" Cambridge Dictionary's definition. So it meets one of the criteria, but the supreme court has to be really careful about restricting speech

@Knick

I believe in freedom of speech. You can say what you want.

I just believe in freedom of speech with consequences. You can say what you want, but expect some sort of repercussion depending on what it is. Like for example if you deny the Armenian genocide here you have to face trial for it. Am I saying that everyone who says ‘hate speech’ should face trial? No, I’m just saying there’s different consequences for everything.

I can’t speak for everyone here, considering I’m Swiss, not American, but that’s how I feel about it.

@Althalosian-is-the-father book

"obscenity, defamation, fraud, incitement, true threats and speech integral to already criminal conduct." This is what Chicago Tribune says aren't protected, which is what I'm seeing elsewhere too. I saw something about hate crimes, but hate speech is legal, just widely regarded (including by the Supreme Court) really shitty
"public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation" Cambridge Dictionary's definition. So it meets one of the criteria, but the supreme court has to be really careful about restricting speech

That should be illegal. Nothing else. But it has to really be inciting violence. "Kill the whoever" and stuff.

@Althalosian-is-the-father book

I believe in freedom of speech. You can say what you want.

I just believe in freedom of speech with consequences. You can say what you want, but expect some sort of repercussion depending on what it is. Like for example if you deny the Armenian genocide here you have to face trial for it. Am I saying that everyone who says ‘hate speech’ should face trial? No, I’m just saying there’s different consequences for everything.

I can’t speak for everyone here, considering I’m Swiss, not American, but that’s how I feel about it.

Nah. I support the right to be hella stupid with only natural consequences. I think people should be able to proclaim whatever they believe, no matter how whack.

@Pickles group

Okay, I looked up what the other part to the clear and present danger test is, and apparently it's been replaced with the "imminent lawless action test" which is if it incites lawless action before the police get there or something
So I guess that means hate speech is only illegal if it does actually produce lawless action. But in the way most people think of it (just being or generally hateful, like racism or homophobia), it isn't. Which is I think basically what Dom is saying?
I'm more confused now then I was when we were actually talking about it in government. But I guess this is what happens when I try to do my own research

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I think you should have the right to say anything you want shrug

@Knick

I’m..unpredictable, I guess?

I mean in GTARP the character I rp as is probably classified as that so in a way it’s sort of correct

@Nie-Huaisang-is-lost-in-the-stars group

I hope I'm not deceptive and manipulative either, I hate hurting others.
Also, Nie, I don't think you're deceptive or manipulative. I think you're just amazing.

Gafaa! I am not amazing. I'm average. But thanks for the compliment, love. You're more amazing than I.