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I have a very good debate subject

Should the research from the Holocaust experiments be released?

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Right, but out of respect for the tortured victims, perhaps it shouldn't be.

@Mojack group

So I’ll start off this little essay I’m about to put down here by saying I’m somewhat neutral, but I’ll be doing some research about it that might change my opinion. I’ll also say that I do already have mixed feelings on it.

From a moral standpoint, as others have said: out of respect for the families and the victims, maybe not. And considering (while it may have provided some ground work for certain stuff later on, what happened outweighs this in my opinion) that not much was really learned from it, probably not. The problem with the experiments is that they weren’t really done on healthy people. The tortured victims were sick and often starved due to the conditions, so the experiments probably wouldn’t have served much of a purpose medically considering the results would’ve been different if you did it on a healthy person instead.

Adding to that, the manner of how the experiments were performed probably didn’t give rise to any useful data. And I also read up on that you could probably judge the legitimacy of the doctors doing the experiments; some of them may have not have been (qualified) doctors at all. There wasn’t a line between sadism or science for them.

I think we can settle with victims who (on their own choice of course) come out and explain what happened, or write books about it. There are some really good books out there written by victims of the holocaust, and you can find AMAs on reddit from the victims who answer questions on there quite well as well.

So I’d probably lean on no. There isn’t much we can really grasp from it, and there already is quite a bit of information about it already available, with survivor accounts and all.

@Althalosian-is-the-father book

I think that it's a real pity -though a time of break I agree with- but understand that many people have too hard a time with such an issue and get too emotional. Says the psychopath. At least I think that's the reason.

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Yeah

My opinion on it is extremely unusual lmao that's why I was wondering if we'd discussed it yet

@Jay-Marae-is-in-an-emotional-maze

OK possible debate topic or this will just be shut down because it's a little stupid
Should homophobia, misogyny, xenophobia, racism, etc be illegal in the USA?
I know that it's in our 1st Amendment rights that we can say whatever we want as long as it doesn't endanger others or interfere with their pursuit of happiness, but I mean, it technically does.
Hear me out, homophobia, racism, etc is like a personal attack to the party it's against, which should count as an interference with their pursuit of happiness because constant homophobia, for example, can lead to depression which can lead to suicide, etc.
I know I'm probably just being dumb and there's a reason why this isn't a thing but idk I just thought of it and my dumb self thought it was somewhat reasonable. Maybe someone wiser than me has some thoughts/input?

@Pickles group

Oh! I think I actually have an answer. So the only speech that's not protected by the first amendment is… Heck, I think slander and some other stuff, which homophobia doesn't fall under. And there's a clear and present danger test, which is if it's intended to cause panic or prompt lawless action, actually results in lawless action, and something else I don't remember, it's not protected. There was a Supreme Court case about a KKK member trying to prompt people to overthrow the government. It was determined that it was protected because he was so ridiculous that no one was actually going to do it. So saying homophobic things is under none of that. *Maybe. I don't really know we did this so long ago

Plus a lot of our government is old cis white men that are already racist and homophobic, so it's unlikely they'd rule it illegal.

That was not the most eloquently put, but I did my best
wow I totally forgot you said misogynistic and xenophobic, but those apply as well