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Started March 14, 2019 by Deleted user

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And that is assuming the teacher won't end up being the one to shoot the school up. I have met plenty of teachers who if they had a bad day and went to school with a gun, someone would end up shot.

(Is this still a debate- cause I felt it is…)

I mean life isn't that bad…

hey random unpopular opinion:
give teachers guns so they can prevent school shootings

I'm down. The objections seem to be what would happen if someone who shouldn't have a gun having a gun. The answer is don't give a gun to literally anyone. Give it to those who both want it and have passed multiple gun tests.

And that is assuming the teacher won't end up being the one to shoot the school up. I have met plenty of teachers who if they had a bad day and went to school with a gun, someone would end up shot.

Yeah, that's a good point. Kids are assholes. And adults are not always stable. Personally, I don't want to have a new problem and fear for my life if my teacher is already having a bad day and some asshole in the back makes a comment. That's just a new, worse problem because in that case, we gave the teachers the guns.

hey random unpopular opinion:
give teachers guns so they can prevent school shootings

I'm down. The objections seem to be what would happen if someone who shouldn't have a gun having a gun. The answer is don't give a gun to literally anyone. Give it to those who both want it and have passed multiple gun tests.

plus I'd rather be taught by a teacher who I could trust to have a firearm whether he/she has one on him/her or not

I really don’t feel safe if the teachers have guns.

I guess I’m biased because I live in Canada where the gun laws are different, but thinking about that makes me a bit unnerved and upset. I know they’re my teachers, and I’ve had generally good teachers, but I do not like that idea nor would I feel safe if it were done.

well it's natural to feel nervous around someone who is holding what you grew up being taught is a weapon. but if you can't trust your teacher with a gun, then why is your teacher the right person to teach you anything?

..because my teacher is someone I can trust, who knows what they’re doing? I’ve talked to my teachers, had conversations with them, and I know that they’re a person I can trust. They’ve had proper training for that sort of thing (and I know people who handle guns should have training too, but in a school environment i feel I’d just miss a lot more classes than I already do.)

well it's natural to feel nervous around someone who is holding what you grew up being taught is a weapon. but if you can't trust your teacher with a gun, then why is your teacher the right person to teach you anything?

First of all, what do you mean "grew up being taught is a weapon"? Guns are literally weapons. This isn't some propaganda "oh the government only wants you to think they're weapons" kind of a thing. They are weapons. Let's get that out of the way right now. So yeah, I would be nervous if the people I was around all day had a weapon.
Second of all, trusting someone to teach you information and trusting someone to not abuse the use of a weapon they have been given are two totally different things. They are not related.
For teachers to have weapons there would have to be a lot more tests in place to become a teacher. Do you know how difficult it already is to become a teacher nowadays? Do you know how many people quit when they are almost done with the process because it is simply too much? If a requirement to be a teacher had to be to get a gun, the number of teachers we have would drop significantly.

not to sound like an idiot, but I feel like firearm safety training would be implied with arming teachers

. . . I agree??
Sorry, did you think I didn't say that somewhere?

I'd like to also point out that it could be stolen at pretty much any point during the day.

I think a teacher is more trusting when they don’t have a weapon or whatever… I just, I’m terrified of guns, mostly because family members got shot and my grandfather tried to shoot my dog, HES NOT A BAD PERSON BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING HE WAS CRANKY DON’T INSULT HIM HES DEAD AND I LOVE HIM!
I’m scared of guns. I can not trust anyone with a weapon. Maybe you are new in a new district, and the teachers have guns? I would loose my shit and beg my mom to move.
Personally, I think it’s a terrible idea. The weapons can be lost, stolen, and most likely cause more harm then good. Now, if they were put away in a safe or something, sure, but still. I like the running away when other people are heating books at the school shooter, I’ll survive most likely, and they die. My mom told me to run if there was a school shooting after I had an opening. I might die while running but that’s besides the point
Basically I think it’s a bad idea.

. . . I agree??
Sorry, did you think I didn't say that somewhere?

oh on my screen yours is after mine, idk

Yeah, that's another good point. For a lot of kids, guns may be a trigger for them. Sending kids into panic attacks in the middle of school does not create a healthy learning environment, and would make many kids unable to learn.

Yet another good point, students could still steal a teacher's gun. At my sister's school, a teacher had her phone and her keys on her person, and two middle schoolers stole them. Imagine the outcome if it was a determined 18 year old.

. . . I agree??
Sorry, did you think I didn't say that somewhere?

oh on my screen yours is after mine, idk

Oh okay

well it's natural to feel nervous around someone who is holding what you grew up being taught is a weapon. but if you can't trust your teacher with a gun, then why is your teacher the right person to teach you anything?

First of all, what do you mean "grew up being taught is a weapon"? Guns are literally weapons. This isn't some propaganda "oh the government only wants you to think they're weapons" kind of a thing. They are weapons. Let's get that out of the way right now. So yeah, I would be nervous if the people I was around all day had a weapon.
Second of all, trusting someone to teach you information and trusting someone to not abuse the use of a weapon they have been given are two totally different things. They are not related.
For teachers to have weapons there would have to be a lot more tests in place to become a teacher. Do you know how difficult it already is to become a teacher nowadays? Do you know how many people quit when they are almost done with the process because it is simply too much? If a requirement to be a teacher had to be to get a gun, the number of teachers we have would drop significantly.

okay, in response to the first one. I don't often call guns weapons because literally anything can be a weapon. a machete, intended for clearing brush, can be used to kill someone. a brick, intended for building a house, can be used to murder someone. a rifle, intended for hunting wild animals and supplying food, can be used to take a human life.

in response to the second, I wouldn't want to learn calculus from someone who can't hold a knife without feeling an overwhelming and irresistible urge to stab the nearest human. would you?

Exactly. I get scared when I have to cook with knifes sometimes, when I’m not looking to hurt myself. I’m scared of that stuff. Also kids with mental disabilities like Autism and for my brother, CP(can’t spell it), kids like that are really sensitive to sharp objects and weapons. What if someone with autism found a gun? What if he hurt himself or someone? People with CP and autism do not function like normal people, they think differently, sometimes their actions are not justified. A lot of public schools have these kids, some schools don’t accept you into a program unless you have more then one disability. I’m already scared, I know damn well my brother would be terrified as well. What about parents? Wouldn’t they get concerned that at any moment the teacher could shoot they’re own flesh and blood? Wouldn’t you be scared if your child attended a school where a teacher could kill them whenever? I sure would.
Just because It might decrease a problem, does not mean it will stop. People WILL continue and there is NOTHING we can do about it. Schools in my state HAVE POLICE OFFICERS ROAMING THE HALLWAYS TO PROTECT KIDS WHO OVER DOSE OR STOP SCHOOL SHOOTERS, I think that if every school can get police officers on campus to PROTECT students a lot of over doses in teens and school shootings would decrease.

But… Guns are used for killing things. That's how pretty much everyone uses them

okay I'll quote you on this part: 'It might decrease a problem' Is not acting at all going help more than trying?

As a high schooler who goes to a very big school, I do not want the teachers to be armed. Students could take the guns, teachers could leave them unsecured, a teacher could lose their temper. Hell, a student who's having a bad day could wrestle the gun from a teacher and kill students.

People WILL continue and there is NOTHING we can do about it. Schools in my state HAVE POLICE OFFICERS ROAMING THE HALLWAYS TO PROTECT KIDS WHO OVER DOSE OR STOP SCHOOL SHOOTERS, I think that if every school can get police officers on campus to PROTECT students a lot of over doses in teens and school shootings would decrease.

Yeah, my school also has present police. The teachers are being paid (not enough though) to teach, not to essentially be a cop who teaches algebra.

As someone coming from a developing country where we have..tensions with neighbouring countries and especially with the Ukrainian crisis happening right next to my birth country I think I’d be against putting guns in school.

I’m gonna be honest, I don’t really like guns. They’re loud and I remember in one of the older towns I lived in when I was young, having trouble going to sleep because of gunfire in the far distance. I know in school it would be different, but as others have said it’s kind of something that can set people off, panic them, etc, and that’s not something I like.

I just feel that school should be a safer learning environment, and if it’s not it should be improved. Putting guns is not the answer to that since a lot of people out there may not be with the idea.

okay I'll quote you on this part: 'It might decrease a problem' Is not acting at all going help more than trying?

Okay, I brought up a point where trained police officers WHO ACTUALLY TRAINED TO RESTRAIN ATTACKERS FROM KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE to be there. We don’t need to resort to killing people, Police officers will take care of that. For schools that have one, most likely got it because there was multiple attempts of a school shooting or drug deals.

As a high schooler who goes to a very big school, I do not want the teachers to be armed. Students could take the guns, teachers could leave them unsecured, a teacher could lose their temper. Hell, a student who's having a bad day could wrestle the gun from a teacher and kill students.

I'll admit that a student could take a gun, but about the other three:
why does the teacher not have his/her firearm holstered and secured?
why is there a teacher who would willingly commit voluntary manslaughter over an annoyance?
why isn't the teacher trained to not let a literal child take a something as significant as that?

okay I'll quote you on this part: 'It might decrease a problem' Is not acting at all going help more than trying?

Okay, I brought up a point where trained police officers WHO ACTUALLY TRAINED TO RESTRAIN ATTACKERS FROM KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE to be there. We don’t need to resort to killing people, Police officers will take care of that. For schools that have one, most likely got it because there was multiple attempts of a school shooting or drug deals.

okay, you've convinced me that a police officer on campus is a good idea. well met

For a lot of kids, guns may be a trigger for them. Sending kids into panic attacks in the middle of school does not create a healthy learning environment, and would make many kids unable to learn.

hang on: is there anyone here who thinks that making it illegal to own guns is a valid solution?
not me

For a lot of kids, guns may be a trigger for them. Sending kids into panic attacks in the middle of school does not create a healthy learning environment, and would make many kids unable to learn.

true, but it's not like they can't see a gun that a police officer has

That's one of the tenth amendments, it's not going anywhere