Hitler celebrated people with blue eyes and people are still calling him an icon
Anyway, religion changes your whole life, right? Well so does your sexuality. It changes a lot of things, and even your entire worldview. You won’t understand, I get that, because your straight as the lines on a freeway, but it really does. It makes everything just a little bit different.
And why not let us celebrate our freedom? America does every Fourth of July. We fought just the same for the right to love who we want, so what’s so different about that?
Crocs does have a point there, with the last few statements. They've had a tougher time with earning their rights and acceptance than we, as straights, have. Hell, some countries consider being gay a crime, if I recall correctly.
they're not completely straight tho sometimes
Hitler celebrated people with blue eyes and people are still calling him an icon
Anyway, religion changes your whole life, right? Well so does your sexuality. It changes a lot of things, and even your entire worldview. You won’t understand, I get that, because your straight as the lines on a freeway, but it really does. It makes everything just a little bit different.
And why not let us celebrate our freedom? America does every Fourth of July. We fought just the same for the right to love who we want, so what’s so different about that?
True.
Can’t really respond to that. Can you explain more?
Well of course it’s not a question of letting because free speech. But the reasons I mentioned earlier. It brings division. I would think you would want a time where the separation was a distant memory, instead of being tasted every day.
they're not completely straight tho sometimes
True. And if I lived in a different home I might be bi.
i honestly don't even know what I am
Y'all want me to explain how discovering/changing or whatever your sexuality is a change? Sorry if it's repetitive, but like. Math fried my brain and I need an insane amount of clarification
It’s cool Crocs. Math hurts. But yeah. Try to explain what I don’t understand as a straight dude.
Obviously, no matter how well I do it, it'll never quite hit you the same. Believe me, I've had the same discussion with my stepdad on differing world views. But I'll give it a shot I guess, since I'm procrastinating history homework
Straight people see privilege everywhere they go. I don't really mean that in a big way, like a black woman's dollar to a man's type-deal, as that's a whole different talk on world views. But straight people see things differently. They don't have to worry about being denied a fucking wedding cake, or marriage, or basic human rights. Obviously, there's all the other specifications, like race and things that could be considered, but I'm talking basic straight/not. This isn't really quite what you meant, I think, though? But it's kind of part of my point. The world is different for people openly Not Straight. The world treats us differently, so why can't we have our fun and celebrate who we are.
The simplest way I can prove it? You see women as attractive and as potential partners. We see our own genders, everything, nothing, bits and pieces of both, as potentials and attractive. It really is that simple. Wee see more, or different genders, or none at all, as attractive, as opposed to you seeing women attractive.
If any of this unclear or whatever, let me know, I'll do my best to explain what I mean better with a bit of specificity from anyone curious or confused
Hmm. You have a point. Just like I do have straight privilege. (And White, even though I’m not. Though police officers still set me on edge.)
What do you mean, basic human rights? Because it sounded like you considered a wedding cake a basic right.
On the one hand, sure, women are hot. But a lot of them aren’t. Most are actually just people to me. I have far more friends that are female. And I’m not looking for a relationship with them of the romantic sort. Idk if that negates your statement or not.
Nah, I wasn't implying cake was a basic human right(wait, maybe I am, but not in this context), just adding it as a reference to events that had taken place, just like the rest of the list. When I say basic human rights, I mean things like maybe adoption(not sure if I consider that a basic right but a right nonetheless), not being treated as less, not being persecuted(like we have been at times), things like that
And no, I get that. I'm panromantic, and I don't see every single person as a potential date or whatever. Though I'm glad to know you consider them people. I meant just a general 'if you're looking for someone to date or even just considering it, you're looking at women'
@MontJyn we're starting Frankenstein in Sci Fi Lit today
Frankenstein is soooooo goooood
Here's my view (sorry to take away from the Frankenstein thing)
Pride is just a celebration. Its a celebration of unapologetically being who we are. If a straight person has a problem with pride they're probably not that supportive in the first place. It's not like straight people are banned from pride, its just not for them. It's simply a celebration.
How about this. A birthday is a celebration. We celebrate that. We don't celebrate birthdays all together. You're saying that celebrating pride causes separation. The same mentality could be applied to something like birthdays. How come they get to celebrate being born, and I don't? What if that makes me feel separated? Should birthday celebrations not exist then?
I think when people who used to be discriminated against are no longer discriminated against as much (because people are still discriminated against, we're not "mostly beyond that now". We're more beyond it than we were, but homophobia and transphobia still prevalent and there) should get to celebrate being free to be who they are. Do you not thank God for being free from religious persecution in America as a Christain? Do you not celebrate that? My church does. We don't have a big parade for it, but we still celebrate it.
How interesting. I sympathize with both sides on this. As much as I love Pride and support it's message, there is a sense that although the LGBTQ+ community wants to be equal they also want to be different. I suppose its and oxymoron…. which is kinda like being gay. ¯\(ツ)/¯
Eris said it pretty well. And the problem is that some people are getting special treatment. I know for sure of one case where a trans woman (maybe offensive here but this was a person who looked like had the muscles to pull it off) made a death threat against a guy who said “sir”. The dude tried to sue (it should have been easy because they both had mics and cameras pointed at them) but the dude was told the trans woman was a protected class and he wasn’t allowed to sue.
Point. While I'm all for equal rights, people nowadays seem to think that equal means being better than everyone else. I'm not saying that everyone does this, but there are certainly those that do abuse their 'equality' to the point where they think they are untouchable.
Again, I'm not saying everyone in the lgbt+ community is like this.
Of course not. But it’s always the loud minority that people remember.
”All [people] are equal, but some [people] are more equal than others.”
A cruel dynamic of society.
Indeed. Which is why we’re not allowed to talk about ethnicity in the airport.
I listened to some 9/11 tapes and heard one of the hijackers. It was insane, he sounded like he could be one of my half uncles.
Ugh airports. I always have the worst luck there
Of course not. But it’s always the loud minority that people remember.
”All [people] are equal, but some [people] are more equal than others.”
Isn't that a quote from Animal Farm? "All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others"?
Frankenstein is soooooo goooood
I know right?!
I have very intense Feelings and Emotions about Frankenstein and highkey can't talk about it with either squealing or screaming
@MontJyn we're starting Frankenstein in Sci Fi Lit today
I love that I am now associated with Frankenstein. Please keep this up, I love it.
Tis not a bad thing to be associated with, if I do say so myself.
