I think taking privilege into account when dealing with issues of race is very important. Context is always necessary.
Can you give an example of how this would work that doesn’t directly reflect the thing we are discussing?
Okay then. I'm the recipient of a scholarship at my school. Although I am Black, my skin is on the lighter side and I have no perceptible accent. The only other person in the scholarship group freshman class was…also light-skin with no accent. We both come from upper middle class families. The others in the group were overwhelmingly white. Is it racist for the scholarship committee to realize, hey, we have a bias against Black people, in particular darker skinned Black people/Black men, we should probably try and remedy that by making sure we accept those people (with comparable scores/stats btw)
I mean for arguments sake you could say that the entire entertainment industry is racist because of how they specifically cast for parts.
(shrug)
There's actually kind of a technical term for "reverse racism" but idr what it is and it isn't really important but it's like favoring a certain group that was discriminated against in the past. A lot of colleges do it. I'll sit back down now
I love coming back to this after a long day of school (sigh)
We’re really just going in circles. One side find it racist to divide the casting by “excluding whites”. The other disagrees because it’s “making room for POC”. I don’t think we’ll ever come to an agreement.
Then let's just agree to disagree.
I think we're more disagreeing on the definition of racism. I'm talking about racism in terms of power structures, privilege, American society, and current race relations. I assume the opposing argument is using the literal dictionary definition?
Racism is racism. There shouldn't be a need to look at the literal dictionary definition
…well I mean you’re associating the word with its, admittedly, bad connotations. But that doesn’t define the word.
But that is exactly what this country is doing. Fighting about what is racist and what isn't based on the definition of the word among other things.
Racism shouldn't be defined by its negative connotations? Um, why not…?
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
^^^ That is the literal definition
Wait… hold up. Would you agree with me if I said the casting Lin held was discriminatory toward whites?
In the same way that certain scholarships are discriminatory to people who don't qualify. In the same way handicap parking is discriminatory to able bodied people. In the same way Lin was discriminatory to anyone not in their 20s/30s.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
^^^ That is the literal definition
based on a belief that one's own race is superior
i think some of y'all are ignoring that bit.
mhm.
Does that mean if a black person made negative jokes about the African race that would not be considered racist?
Well, no, because those comments would likely arise from the believe that somehow African-Americans are better than Africans. Right?
African race? We're all black. (though I do understand there are some other races there but if you're talking about the blacks in Africa then^)
African-Americans are typically mixed race individuals because of, ya know. Slavery.
Or it could be a case of ingrained racism. A Black friend of mine told me I didn't act Black because all Blacks were ratchet. That's racist, and it comes from an unspoken belief that whites are not ratchet, or whatever. Kinda ridiculous, but still racist.
There is the argument that a certain race is allowed to make fun of themselves but no on else can.
For example: I'm Hispanic so I can make stereotypical jokes about what it is to be Hispanic, but Karen from Malibu most certainly cannot.
African-Americans are typically mixed race individuals because of, ya know. Slavery.
Or it could be a case of ingrained racism. A Black friend of mine told me I didn't act Black because all Blacks were ratchet. That's racist, and it comes from an unspoken belief that whites are not ratchet, or whatever. Kinda ridiculous, but still racist.
Same. I'm told the exact same thing.
There is the argument that a certain race is allowed to make fun of themselves but no on else can.
For example: I'm Hispanic so I can make stereotypical jokes about what it is to be Hispanic, but Karen from Malibu most certainly cannot.
I guess it's about intent. Me and my friend joking about loving kool aid hits differently than some random white person laughing at me because I like kool aid.
There is the argument that a certain race is allowed to make fun of themselves but no on else can.
For example: I'm Hispanic so I can make stereotypical jokes about what it is to be Hispanic, but Karen from Malibu most certainly cannot.
goshdarnitKaren
Yeah, because I definitely do this with my friends, too.
goshdarnitKaren My fam alternates between calling my older brother a terrorist and Jesus.
Mine's a bit more extreme..
Mine's a bit more extreme..
same lmao we funny
If we go by this definition I can throw a party with a sign on the door saying “no blacks allowed” and as long as I didn’t hold an ideology that proclaimed my race superior, that would not actually be racist. I disagree.
Mine's a bit more extreme..
same lmao we funny
I fail to see how being called a terrorist is less than being made fun of for liking kool aid.