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Started March 14, 2019 by Deleted user

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A colorblind casting doesn't work in a non-colorblind world, sorry. Plus, Hamilton is primarily rap and hip hop, which is highly influenced by POC…

Okay…? If a white person can rap/sing/act just as well as someone of color, does it matter? And same vice-verse applies, too. I’m not saying he shouldn’t have casted POC’s, I’m saying he should’ve casted without any prejudice against any race.

So, let me get this straight: a man who has been denied roles because of his race decides to write a play heavily influenced by POC culture and to cast his friends and others who have been denied roles for the same reason, and you're saying that's somehow racist?

(On an unrelated note, this chat just passed 3000 posts!)

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Nah. And it wouldn’t be an issue if he called them to the show by name. But he called them by race and not name so that does make it racist.

So then handicap parking spaces are ableist?

I'm curious… do we know for 100% that Lin said he didn't want white people auditioning for the main cast?

OR

Was it that the main parts were written for POC and white people were still able to audition for the parts with a chance to get it if they proved to be extraordinary, but he chose people that would not normally would have been chosen?

Because that doesn't sound racist to me.

Also, despite the fact that the main cast is entirely POC it is still wildly diverse. It's not all one race of people. So to say that it was racist is kind of ridiculous.

So is it sexist to say that only girls can audition for female roles?

Because that's what your argument sounds like, Dom.

I'm curious… do we know for 100% that Lin said he didn't want white people auditioning for the main cast?

OR

Was it that the main parts were written for POC and white people were still able to audition for the parts with a chance to get it if they proved to be extraordinary, but he chose people that would not normally would have been chosen?

Because that doesn't sound racist to me.

Also, despite the fact that the main cast is entirely POC it is still wildly diverse. It's not all one race of people. So to say that it was racist is kind of ridiculous.

Main parts were written for POC, white people can still be in non-main roles like King George, ensemble, and understudies/swings. Which really isn't racist at all, since white people are the leads in a ton of other shows.

“HAMILTON is holding OPEN AUDITIONS for SINGERS who RAP!
Seeking NON-WHITE men and women, ages 20s to 30s, for Broadway and upcoming Tours!
** No prior theater experience necessary. **”

So then handicap parking spaces are ableist?

At least discriminatory. Not that that is an inherently bad thing.

I'm so insanely happy that I now have 3 legit roles to use as "theatre experience" because shows in my town are very competitive and no one's gonna cast Peasant #3 as a lead…

I put out the ad so hopefully that answers your questions.

Also, despite the fact that the main cast is entirely POC it is still wildly diverse. It's not all one race of people. So to say that it was racist is kind of ridiculous.

Hmm, it’s based on ‘everything but that race’ so I think it still works.

I may have to throw in the towel here, folks. I don't think I can debate with someone who thinks handicap parking is somehow discriminatory. I think we'll just keep going in circles.

I'm so insanely happy that I now have 3 legit roles to use as "theatre experience" because shows in my town are very competitive and no one's gonna cast Peasant #3 as a lead…

Happy for you mate.

I may have to throw in the towel here, folks. I don't think I can debate with someone who thinks handicap parking is somehow discriminatory. I think we'll just keep going in circles.

Remember that I use the term literally. I thought I no longer needed to explain that.

I'm so insanely happy that I now have 3 legit roles to use as "theatre experience" because shows in my town are very competitive and no one's gonna cast Peasant #3 as a lead…

Happy for you mate.

I had to put down 'sock puppet Laertes' at one point to bolster my resume.
I don't know how I feel about that.

“HAMILTON is holding OPEN AUDITIONS for SINGERS who RAP!
Seeking NON-WHITE men and women, ages 20s to 30s, for Broadway and upcoming Tours!
** No prior theater experience necessary. **”

(the issue with this ad is semantics, because casting calls often ask for race. Loads and loads of casting calls are for certain races. The problem isn't the idea but the use of "non" as opposed to "people of color")

So is it sexist to say that only girls can audition for female roles?

Well it does prohibit men, so technically, yes. But that in itself isn’t the issue. These guys are Washington and the bunch, the whitest of the whites. Prohibiting white people from playing them is a bit odd (and I still hold, racist.) Not that I have any objections to the cast, but this seems like what people call (and what a stupid phrase) ‘reverse racism.’

I'm so insanely happy that I now have 3 legit roles to use as "theatre experience" because shows in my town are very competitive and no one's gonna cast Peasant #3 as a lead…

Happy for you mate.

I had to put down 'sock puppet Laertes' at one point to bolster my resume.
I don't know how I feel about that.

L O L.

(Also, that ad is totally discriminatory against people not in their 20s/30s, wow)

You are right Lol. But we have twenty years until Twitter explodes in rage about that.

“HAMILTON is holding OPEN AUDITIONS for SINGERS who RAP!
Seeking NON-WHITE men and women, ages 20s to 30s, for Broadway and upcoming Tours!
** No prior theater experience necessary. **”

(the issue with this ad is semantics, because casting calls often ask for race. Loads and loads of casting calls are for certain races. The problem isn't the idea but the use of "non" as opposed to "people of color")

As the idea is still the same, just put in a less offensive manner, I think it would have been best had it merely said that any character could be played by a person of any race, thereby disillusioning anyone (white or POC) of thinking that the roles had to be played by race. (Because seriously. Washington was awesome.)

I think the issue here is that to you, racism is a fun thought experiment, where essentially anything can be racist and racism can be good. What that does is it takes power away from the world. There are people and scenarios that are actually harmful and racist, and calling them racist is a way of condemning them. It's not just some passive observation (i.e. handicap parking is discriminatory, scholarships for certain types of people are discriminatory) its a way to call people out for their shitty behaviour. Back when Obama was president, people were genuinely afraid of being racist. Now there's racial apathy –people who are racist but simply don't care. If we keep using the word racist as a neutral word and not as something negative, to me it just fuels racial apathy.

Which really isn't racist at all, since white people are the leads in a ton of other shows.

Why do you think this is true? Would it be racist is white people weren’t as privileged? I think racism is racism regardless of the circumstance.

I think taking privilege into account when dealing with issues of race is very important. Context is always necessary.

I think the issue here is that to you, racism is a fun thought experiment,
Not exactly, though perhaps I am not giving it the gravity it deserves.
where essentially anything can be racist and racism can be good.
Not anything, just anything that discerns by race and makes choices and actions based on that discernment between race. And not good, just not bad, such as how I have a certain fondness of people of Indian and Arab descent.
What that does is it takes power away from the world. There are people and scenarios that are actually harmful and racist, and calling them racist is a way of condemning them.
True, but just because something has a lot of negative connotations does not mean that it itself is a bad thing. Such as a scholarship for women that discriminates against men by not letting them participate in said scholarship.
It's not just some passive observation (i.e. handicap parking is discriminatory, scholarships for certain types of people are discriminatory) its a way to call people out for their shitty behaviour.
Back when Obama was president, people were genuinely afraid of being racist. Now there's racial apathy –people who are racist but simply don't care.
If we keep using the word racist as a neutra word and not as something negative, to me it just fuels racial apathy.
It is possible, I have no way to combat that statement.