So I know the discussion is way over, but I just came across this and thought it was worth sharing?

We will talk about Mulan until the day I die.

Glad it's not unwelcome then lmao. I found another https://www.pinterest.com/pin/704180091718399351/

Basically, the gist of all this that I'm getting is that, despite being a great movie when viewed in a sort of…non-accurate light, the movie was really inaccurate and pretty offensive to Chinese culture

Another reason they're taking out roles could be due to the fact that with recent live-action remakes, a lot of criticism is directed at the whole 'we don't want the exact same movie make into a live-action'. Going back to the legend would differ the live-action from the animated film.
Still don't see why they couldn't include songs, though. Reflection and I'll Make A Man Out Of You are iconic.

I have returned from Germania

Sup. How was it?

Glad it's not unwelcome then lmao. I found another https://www.pinterest.com/pin/704180091718399351/

Basically, the gist of all this that I'm getting is that, despite being a great movie when viewed in a sort of…non-accurate light, the movie was really inaccurate and pretty offensive to Chinese culture

Okay but as a Chinese person it wasn't that offensive?? And of course, it doesn't represent modern China as accurately, but the animated version did shine on the values of family, discipline, and gender-roles. All of which were pretty important to the culture, especially in the past.

Hi! It was great. It still hasn't really set in that I'm back. Heck, it still hasn't really set in that I went at all. Occasionally I'll have these moments where I flash back to a part of the trip and get really emotional since all my family is there.

Huh. Honestly, I'm glad it wasn't super offensive, because Eris is right, that movie was bangin' and like, my entire childhood. I'm not sure where that leaves us with the live action remake tho

Glad it's not unwelcome then lmao. I found another https://www.pinterest.com/pin/704180091718399351/

Basically, the gist of all this that I'm getting is that, despite being a great movie when viewed in a sort of…non-accurate light, the movie was really inaccurate and pretty offensive to Chinese culture

Okay but as a Chinese person it wasn't that offensive?? And of course, it doesn't represent modern China as accurately, but the animated version did shine on the values of family, discipline, and gender-roles. All of which were pretty important to the culture, especially in the past.

I think usually the people that complain about this kind of stuff are the people that it's not about and they really aren't "qualified" I guess is the word to complain. From what I've seen (which isn't a lot, to be fair)

All the complaints come from young white folks.

Let's be honest, what Disney movie is 100% politically correct hmm?

Mulan, the animated movie, brought forth a more lighthearted view of a turbulent time in Chinese history which inspired a boost in academic interest in outside and Asian cultures, brought forth one of the very first Disney 'princesses' that was a poc, shined light on the importance of daughter/father relationships, and told an entire generation of young girls that hey can be just as tough as boys.

I mean……

And taught about the superficiality of what is considered “manly”.
A good movie.

I watched the second half of it last night.

I C O N I C

I’ve never watched Mulan before - but I think I’m gonna watch it either tonight or sometime this week now

((Or maybe I have watched it but it’s been a while))

On the one hand, it is a cool idea to do the live-action as a 'what could have been' for an old classic but like…Mulan is probably one of the most well-loved Disney movies so….idk

Okay so we can all agree we love Mulan, but what about this controversy around the Little Mermaid?

Thoughts?

I'm kinda whatever on it. The actress is talented, and tbh, Ariel is a half-fish creature, so…I don't see why it's such a big deal.

I haven’t decided how I feel about it. But the only reason she’s black is for diversity points. If it was accurate she’d be white as it was a Danish tale. Some people are annoyed by all the ‘diversity’ and ‘equality’ while “blackwashing” a Disney move.

The thing about that though is that she’s a mermaid. She lives in water. Not in Europe. In water (maybe near Europe but still.) on top of that, black people lived in Europe back then too. What, do people think we were invented in the 1800s?

Also, Disney has had a problem with diversity in the past (and kinda sorta now but they’re making progress.) So making characters POC is very different from making them white, for the simple fact that white is already VERY common in Disney.

I kinda have to agree with Dom on this one. Not to mention that they are taking away the one red haired Princess….so what about ginger representation? Gotta be fair to everyone right?

I think it would be more beneficial to Disney to have created an entirely new and original character if they wanted it to really mean something special.

Still waiting on my Latina Princess btw

The thing about that though is that she’s a mermaid. She lives in water. Not in Europe. In water.

Scientifically, if she lived at the bottom of the ocean where Atlantica is….then she would be pale as fuck because no light gets down there.
She'd also be blind and somewhat terrifying but that's besides the point. XD

Dora's coming to theaters in August.

((I'm absolutely kidding, I'm well aware that she's nothing close to what you meant let alone Disney))

The thing about that though is that she’s a mermaid. She lives in water. Not in Europe. In water.

Scientifically, if she lived at the bottom of the ocean where Atlantica is….then she would be pale as fuck because no light gets down there.
She'd also be blind and somewhat terrifying but that's besides the point. XD

Shivers in happiness I love mermaids.

I think it would be more beneficial to Disney to have created an entirely new and original character if they wanted it to really mean something special.

Still waiting on my Latina Princess btw

Exactly!

I heard a rumor that might be happening.

Dora's coming to theaters in August.

((I'm absolutely kidding, I'm well aware that she's nothing close to what you meant let alone Disney))

SCREAMS

_{with love because I know you were joking}

I heard a rumor that might be happening.

I remember you telling me that and me freaking out because YAS

The thing about that though is that she’s a mermaid. She lives in water. Not in Europe. In water (maybe near Europe but still.) on top of that, black people lived in Europe back then too. What, do people think we were invented in the 1800s?

Good times the 1800s. Sobs for Enjolras

Also, Disney has had a problem with diversity in the past (and kinda sorta now but they’re making progress.) So making characters POC is very different from making them white, for the simple fact that white is already VERY common in Disney.

But that’s not how it works. You can have some do overs like in Aladdin to fix such things. But you can’t just use a magic wand to turn people that were canonically white etc. into disabled black lesbians.
It’s rather like the feminists that want all men to be under all women. It’s not about a battle of who gets to be the best. It’s about actual equality.

That’s the thing, actual equality. It’s not fair to say that putting a black character where a white one used to be is the same thing as if the roles were switched, because there already is plenty of representation for white people.

_{Aladdin was also originally Chinese, so it’s not like Disney hasn’t switched before.}

But that is not equality. Here is my thing I use to tell if something is sexist, racist, etc. it doesn’t always work, but as a matter of thumb it’s pretty good. If it would be taken as such if the roles were reversed, it probably is. So if making a canonically black character white is bad, so is making a canonically white person black. The only way I see out of that is the ‘black people can’t be racist’ card idea.

Also it was a Persian story that was set in China, presumably because it was a land far away. But yeah, it was in the Arabian Nights which are Persian stories and was represented as Indian in the original Disney movie.