But what happens when all the other humans die out, when the world faces its end, and you're the only one there? Just because you can't die doesn't mean you wouldn't feel this forever intensifying pain, hunger, loneliness as everything crumbles around you and you're left to float through space with no feeling or purpose for the rest of eternity
I don't think this way. I don't cherish things because they are finite. How long something exists doesn't determine it's worth. (By that logic plastic would be insanely valuable) I cherish things because they are. Simply because they have been in my life. I still cherish the stuffed animal I had as a child even though it is gone.
I agree with you that worth cannot be purely determined by the interval of time. However, we are comparing a human life span and immortality. I’m not saying that you can’t appreciate and value moments as an immortal, rather, that those moments are less memorable.
Let’s compare the moments/experiences in life to a slice of chocolate cake. (Why? Because I’m really craving some chocolate cake.)
A person given several slices will appreciate each one thoroughly, when they’re done, they’re done.
A person given infinite slices will eventually bore of the cake, and grow sick of it. That’s not saying that they can’t enjoy each slice, but that the slices aren’t viewed as preciously because of the sheer amount.
Point being, I still don’t understand how you wouldn’t tire of immortality.
Pain doesn't increase as time goes on. Proven to be the exact opposite as people heal and come to terms with death of loved ones/etc. People that think in the way that you are describing are willingly wallowing in self pity because they didn't die, because they get to experience an insane amount of new things and such instead of living for those they have lost. Or just moving forward in their own life. They are stuck on the moment they lost death, and that is just insane.
Okay, true. Time can heal pain. But you would really put yourself through continuous death around you, for the sake of seeing the future? Yeah, it would be interesting to see how society and mannerisms change. Yet, we're humans. We live, we die - I've just always accepted that.
But what happens when all the other humans die out, when the world faces its end, and you're the only one there? Just because you can't die doesn't mean you wouldn't feel this forever intensifying pain, hunger, loneliness as everything crumbles around you and you're left to float through space with no feeling or purpose for the rest of eternity
Being alone doesnt bother me. Who's to say that humans will die out anyway? Who's to say that humanity won't actually flourish? You all think so negatively about the distant future so worried about what could be instead of what is. Living is living no matter the bullshit. Life doesn't have to have purpose to be life.
Floating through space would be incredible. To see first hand all the nebulae, black holes, stars, creation, destruction…the very beginning and end of time itself? Talk about a journey.
It's apparent that you are afraid of pain.
Pain let's you know that you are alive.
I think you are one of few then if you have no fear of pain.
I agree with you that worth cannot be purely determined by the interval of time. However, we are comparing a human life span and immortality. I’m not saying that you can’t appreciate and value moments as an immortal, rather, that those moments are less memorable.
Let’s compare the moments/experiences in life to a slice of chocolate cake. (Why? Because I’m really craving some chocolate cake.)
A person given several slices will appreciate each one thoroughly, when they’re done, they’re done.
A person given infinite slices will eventually bore of the cake, and grow sick of it. That’s not saying that they can’t enjoy each slice, but that the slices aren’t viewed as preciously because of the sheer amount.
Point being, I still don’t understand how you wouldn’t tire of immortality.
I see your point. I do, but you are stuck on the fact that every piece of cake is the same as the one before. How many days of your life, years of your life have been the same as the one before? None. Because live progresses, with or without your input. The world changes. People change. The very earth we stand on changes each and every second. So no, I wouldn't get bored because each day would be different, each day a slice of chocolate cake with a different topping, or filling, or style of dough.
shrugs
The possibilities are endless.
Okay, true. Time can heal pain. But you would really put yourself through continuous death around you, for the sake of seeing the future? Yeah, it would be interesting to see how society and mannerisms change. Yet, we're humans. We live, we die - I've just always accepted that.
Continuous death is already there. Thousands of people die each day. But that doesn't mean that it should hold us back. Living is going forward. Not going/looking behind.
I think you are one of few then if you have no fear of pain.
Im much like Eowyn in that regard.
Oh man you hit me with Eowyn. My heart. She and Faramir are so beautiful.
Even if humanity flourishes, the sun will one day explode. That's a scientific fact. It'll most likely be millions upon billions of years from now, but stars kinda do this thing where they explode over time.
It would be cool for a while, but there would be a point where you've seen it all, there's nothing more to learn or experience, and over time, as you float around watching everything fall apart, the neverending darkness will get to you and your only remains of sanity will crumble faster than the universe itself.
And what happens when you experience, first-hand, the strength of a black hole? There would be no escape, you'd just be stretched thinner and thinner, pain more intense than anyone could ever imagine, for all of eternity. Nothing to learn, nothing to see, nothing making it even remotely worthwhile.
Of course, everyone's afraid of pain, to an extent. I'm no exception, and I doubt you are as well.
It takes a balance of pain and joy to make you feel alive. If you constantly feel happy, you'll slowly become numb to it, and it will take some sadness to help you find happiness again. If you're constantly in pain, you eventually won't be able to feel it anymore, you won't feel alive anymore, and it takes joy to make it hurt again.
Am I making any sense?
Yes.. so no debates at the moment there's only one thing I can think of
Dog people or cat people?
Why can't we have both?
Even if humanity flourishes, the sun will one day explode. That's a scientific fact. It'll most likely be millions upon billions of years from now, but stars kinda do this thing where they explode over time.
It would be cool for a while, but there would be a point where you've seen it all, there's nothing more to learn or experience, and over time, as you float around watching everything fall apart, the neverending darkness will get to you and your only remains of sanity will crumble faster than the universe itself.
And what happens when you experience, first-hand, the strength of a black hole? There would be no escape, you'd just be stretched thinner and thinner, pain more intense than anyone could ever imagine, for all of eternity. Nothing to learn, nothing to see, nothing making it even remotely worthwhile.Of course, everyone's afraid of pain, to an extent. I'm no exception, and I doubt you are as well.
It takes a balance of pain and joy to make you feel alive. If you constantly feel happy, you'll slowly become numb to it, and it will take some sadness to help you find happiness again. If you're constantly in pain, you eventually won't be able to feel it anymore, you won't feel alive anymore, and it takes joy to make it hurt again.
Am I making any sense?
Well no, because you don't know any of this will happen, or what any of this feels like, nor can you think for me or tell me how I will feel in the experience of immortality.
Coming at any experience with only the negative is not looking at the entire picture. The Universe is constantly expanding, changing, creating with millions upon trillions of things that we do not know or understand. To say that someone would get bored of all that is extremely closed minded. Nothing ever 'falls apart into never ending darkness and despair blah blah blah, sanity crumbles, blah blah' because energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed. Who's to say that an immortal will not evolve into something/someone that can withstand all of everything?
Also– no one knows what is inside a black hole so to think that it's just never ending pain and horribleness is just…..meh. Come on. I'll give you the fact that it could be, but that's a ridiculously slim fact and I would definitely read up on a ton of amazing and plausible scientific theories if you have questions.
Again I idly wonder why you all linger on the bad and also so willing to give up on Life.
Can I just point out that Nutella is arguing Grim Realism while Eris is being hopeful and optimistic.
Something seems kinda off here
I recently read a post detailing Percy Jackson’s life as if he had said yes to becoming a god. It was downright depressing since he basically loses the will to live very quickly. He doesn’t care about everything or anyone he used to. They all die off and he’s left alone.
ungrateful fools
The grim realism is that we will never become immortal because the rich are selfish and it will never be made available to us plebs.
A goddess can only dream of going back home.
ungrateful fools
Lol.
Let’s imagine you do end up floating through space after the sun does its thing and explodes. I may not be an expert on the human eyes or star explosions, but I’m pretty sure too much light would cause you to go blind, and I’m also pretty sure that watching a star explode would be blinding. I also think the noise might cause you to go deaf but I’m not as sure because I’ve never personally heard a star explode while floating in space so I don’t know much about the physics of that stuff
So now you can’t see, but you’re still floating in space, forever, with no control over your direction or anything. Suddenly, every day does become the same, you have nothing to see, nothing to hear, nothing to taste or smell, all you feel is constant, never ending, intense pain as you float around hopelessly, eventually spiraling into complete insanity.
Doesn’t sound very fun anymore, does it? You would get sick of the chocolate cake. Even if one day something changes slightly, maybe you get hit in the nose with an asteroid, maybe you end up in a distant planet’s orbit, those little sprinkles aren’t going to make that chocolate cake any less sickening.
Wait Eris… when you say immortality do you mean you would never die of old age, or that no matter what happened it would be physically impossible to die?
Let’s imagine you do end up floating through space after the sun does its thing and explodes. I may not be an expert on the human eyes or star explosions, but I’m pretty sure too much light would cause you to go blind, and I’m also pretty sure that watching a star explode would be blinding.
I also think the noise might cause you to go deaf but I’m not as sure because I’ve never personally heard a star explode while floating in space so I don’t know much about the physics of that stuffSo now you can’t see, but you’re still floating in space, forever, with no control over your direction or anything. Suddenly, every day does become the same, you have nothing to see, nothing to hear, nothing to taste or smell, all you feel is constant, never ending, intense pain as you float around hopelessly, eventually spiraling into complete insanity.
Doesn’t sound very fun anymore, does it? You would get sick of the chocolate cake. Even if one day something changes slightly, maybe you get hit in the nose with an asteroid, maybe you end up in a distant planet’s orbit, those little sprinkles aren’t going to make that chocolate cake any less sickening.
I would just like to say AGAIN that you cannot tell me how I would feel about immortality and floating through space for all time because, as I explained before, I think it would be damn cool to see all that stuff. I love space and the like so I cannot see myself getting bored of it.
Now, just so you know, there's no sound in the vacuum of space unless there is a medium for it to travel through (like oxygen) so the second I started floating around the void I'd pretty much be deaf anyway. Who cares? I don't. Why would one need to hear in space anyway? There's no people nagging at me. Also, if I'm immortal it means that my cells cannot/will not deteriorate and die, meaning that even if I stared into a supernova and my eyes got vaporized, they would just heal back to how it was.
I'm getting annoyed that you keep saying things along the lines of "all you feel is constant, never ending, intense pain as you float around hopelessly, eventually spiraling into complete insanity." When you do not know that would be the case because again you are lingering on the nonsense. Not seeing the big picture. Look past your need to be overly dramatic about something that isn't as serious as you're making it. Immortality would be fun. It's space! Floating around in absolute beauty, watching dust turn into stars, watching life form on new born planets, ride asteroids into oblivion, perhaps even find other intelligent life forms.
That, to me, would be paradise… to become part of the universe once more, but I can see how your religious values would keep you from understanding how that eternity would be okay with me.
Wait Eris… when you say immortality do you mean you would never die of old age, or that no matter what happened it would be physically impossible to die?
Immortal - adjective
Wait Eris… when you say immortality do you mean you would never die of old age, or that no matter what happened it would be physically impossible to die?
Immortal - adjective
- living forever; never dying or decaying.
So both? If a person were to come up to you and stab you 37 times, would you just… regenerate?
I guess? lol I've never really though about the specifics of gaining immortality, but I suppose it would be like that, or if we're extra fancy the knife would just bounce off skin.
Ooh, interesting. See, cause Ella here is talking about a star exploding, so first we need to determine how you'll even survive.
I guess? XD
Lol, okay back on track.
Space is cool, sure. But we're not really factoring in the distance between plants, stars, asteroids, life?, etc. If you're, say, floating through space, what are the chances of actually hitting anything? And then the time between travels… you would be so bored.
If I’m not wrong our sun also doesn’t have enough mass to go “boom”, if anything it’s end will be more like a woosh. https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/8001/will-earth-lose-the-moon-before-the-sun-goes-into-supernova
But anyways the chance of hitting something in space is low depending on your velocity and even then hitting a star very, very low. There’s a bit of reading to do with this one as well but I did some googling: https://www.quora.com/If-you-flew-into-space-in-a-random-direction-whats-the-chance-you-would-hit-a-star
I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t be able to control where you go as well despite your immortality in space so you’d just be cruising along for..billions of years, and even longer then that for the rest of the lifespan of the universe. Maybe you’d come across aliens. Maybe they’d come across you. But eventually, all things end and say we get to what might be the end of the universe (which would also be an extremely long time and be very, very boring as well). Again if I’m not wrong, the death of the universe will be very, very dark and cold. All stars will fade away into black dwarfs, which takes quadrillions of years to form (so there are no black dwarfs right now), and also; what would happen if you run into a black hole?
And I know this is only a theory, but there is a theory, that eventually, atoms will decay as well. This will be even longer than the time it takes to form black dwarfs of course, but what happens to you when that occurs?
It would be very boring especially in the long run. Maybe you’d see some things that would be interesting, but a lot of it would be just waiting, floating aimlessly in space.
(sigh)
Alright I'm over it. Thanks for your input guys, that my version of paradise is boring.
Cool.
Hypothetically though if the multiverse theory turns out to be true and we somehow create a device to send people to other universes then the immortal person could go through that device and live on forever by just escaping each universe whenever it's about to end so it doesn't sound that bad if we can create something along those lines
A little odd that boring is the main argument.
You could also hope that somehow humans have developed a way to different planets outside of our solar system. Then continue using that to explore the galaxy, universe, etc. Basically I'm saying escape the solar system before our sun explodes/dies out.