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Started March 14, 2019 by Deleted user

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I’m wondering what you guys think of morphology based phylogeny Aka; humans didn’t really take a lot into account when putting stuff in categories.

Like what are we even supposed to do with the platypus. Aquatic mammal that lays eggs and is venomous and also the eggs have bird and reptile traits and it has extra senses for some reason.

It’s like Plato defined humans as featherless bipeds and then Diogenes ran in with a plucked chicken yelling “BEHOLD A MAN.” Now that kangaroo bears are a thing the human race is just shooting blanks in the whole distinguishing department.

Wow you’re right.

Ikr like by some standards hummingbirds are insects like what are we even supposed to do about that. It’s the whole is a tomato a fruit or vegetable thing.

Do vegetables even exist at all though?

The problem is fruits have seeds in them but usually for veggies they are the seeds. Is eggplant a fruit? Is broccoli a flower?

Yes and sort of. And nuts are just seeds.

Well tree nuts are just seeds but peanuts are moRE CLOSELY RELATED TO POTATOES.

Then they are storage space maybe? But peanuts are also seeds.

That's why labels are ridiculous

And how about we go with that and talk about racism.

Like… complain about it?

No. We talk about why it exists, the root causes, and why it might one day be gone or perhaps never will.

Mm what if we broaden that to discrimination in general?

I have a weird occurrence regarding racism.

I experience it as a Hispanic woman, merely for being Hispanic, but as soon as I specify that I am not Mexican and that I am Costa Rican/Cuban most people back off. I've had a gentleman apologize to me actually for being rude. But there are times when I do not specify and get screamed at.
It's so odd.

What's so much better about being a different kind of Hispanic? I still speak the same language that person X called 'dirty', I still have the features that person X called 'less than human', I still celebrate the culture that person X called 'worthless'… so what is the difference?

Because the Costa Rican beaches are gorgeous and white people's favorite place to vacation? Because all the best Hispanic dance clubs are Cuban?

It's not odd. It's bullshit.

I think it's stereotypes, and that honestly is what racism is. A bunch of stereotypes regarding ethnicity. Society and people will judge you on everything, including cultural background because they associate a certain trait to certain groups and they give these groups freaking labels.

I have a really weird position on it since I am Arabic but I look white. So I get nervous when my older brother and I go by security or something. It’s really weird.

I think it's stereotypes, and that honestly is what racism is. A bunch of stereotypes regarding ethnicity. Society and people will judge you on everything, including cultural background because they associate a certain trait to certain groups and they give these groups freaking labels.

My theory is that it has far more to do with difference than race, since race no longer exists as we have interbred so much. And it does go to all discrimination. It’s jus that it’s far easier to pick out a brown man than a Christian.

But why is it so much 'easier' to hate on someone that is not white? There is literally no difference except one person has more melanin.

These are simply theories, but in America the majority of the population is white, so perhaps it's just more common to hate on minorities.
And if we want to go back in history, slavery has already established this principle that white is the superior race. People who weren't African-Americans were treated as inferior, too.

The most ridiculous thing ever mutually agreed upon by humanity was that "White Is Pure"

But why is it so much 'easier' to hate on someone that is not white? There is literally no difference except one person has more melanin.

I say it has nothing to do with skin color. They are obviously different and so are the first first thing you would notice about a black man is that he is black. Not because he is black. But because he is different.

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did i hear racism?
Racism is systematic! At least, our current view/definition of racism is. It isn't simply disliking someone based on their appearance, which is stupid and a form of racism, but it's more like being wary of someone/discriminating against someone who has been historically discriminated against based on pre-existing biases and the way a society is structured. Racism against Mexicans is becoming more prevalent because of the attention placed on the border crisis and Donald Trump's platform (us vs them narrative). Racism against Black people can be traced back to slavery and Jim Crow, of course, and it has roots in classism as well. I could go on and on about the history of racism, but the real kicker is how white people, who are in the position of power, react to racism.

There was the whole colorblind ideology, which largely ignored hurdles POC had to face. Now there's a new thing called racial apathy, where people acknowledge that racism exists, but just don't care that much. That stems from the us vs them narrative. Anyways, I love talking about this stuff, so I'm now a member of this debate chat I totally haven't been stalking for the last week.

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I think racism and stereotypes are two different things. I (thankfully) don’t experience much racism where I am but I’ve been bullied based on stereotypes many times. Despite being one of the best students at my old school, kids called me dumb blonde. I think this is kinda funny because my hair is quite dark to be called blonde so I assume they were looking really hard for something to criticize. At my new school the stereotypes are more academically inclined. The school is made up mostly of a bunch of different Asians. There is a stereotype that Asian are smarter or good at math. For many kids a B or lower is a fail. People used to can it ‘an Asian fail’ but we’ve evolved to call it ‘a (name of school) fail’. Stereotypes aren’t always inaccurate unfortunately.

Stereotypes are based off of truths, but to classify an entire group under one label and treating everyone in the group harshly for it is wrong.

^^^ That is true because of the history of America. But racism in itself started with the lowering of others. One of the easiest ways to start that is by saying “Look at them, they are not like us.” From there you can get to systematically killing them.

Stereotypes are based off of truths, but to classify an entire group under one label and treating everyone in the group harshly for it is wrong.

Stereotypes aren't always based off of truths, more off people's perceptions. For example, Black people are still stereotyped as not as smart as white people, even though this assumption was from slavery and the idea that literacy = liberation.

We are way past 'systematically killing them'. We are at the point where rights are taken away and people (children) are being tortured and humiliated as human beings.