forum Let's talk about the most controversial shit

Started February 11, 2019 by @SaltyLasagna

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Yeah. I should probably enforce that "no negativity" rule I put up on like the first post

Yeah, I'm kinda bored so I've decided to start this thread where we can debate about really controversial topics. All I ask is that everybody is respectful and civil. If things start to get heated, we'll move on, and if anybody tries to be a bitch about one topic and refuses to let it go, I'll just delete this whole thread. Don't be a bitch, you'll ruin in for everyone.

Here it is

All right. I'm going to warn everyone who will get pissed. This is my legal protection. You read the fricken thing instead of walking away. In other words. You have been warned.

now I'm confused

Okay enough stalling. We're getting controversial!

Well there is no choice in being trans. It doesn't really matter whether you think it's illogical or dumb. It's just how it is.

I think it doesn't exist and it is unscientific.

Yeah, as a trans non binary person here, I strongly disagree. But I'm going to need a bit more than "it's dumb and illogical" to make an actual argument.

I think it doesn't exist and it is unscientific.

You think it doesn't exist. Have you don't research on that? What's unscientific about it? The fact that we're born with certain chromosomes so we shouldn't be able to change our gender? There are intersex people and people with abnormal gender chromosomes who would disagree.
There's also the fact that gender isn't based off chromosomes. Your sex is based off of chromosomes. Gender is related to how your brain develops- masculine or feminine. Typically, males develop masculine brains and females develop feminine brains, but in rare cases, males will develop feminine brains/females will develop masculine brains. Sometimes people will develop something that's neither masculine nor feminine. That's why people are trans. When people's brain structure doesn't match their sex, it causes a mental illness called gender dysphoria to develop. And unfortunately, since it's a part of somebody's brain structure, it can't really be cured or changed. The best we can do for people whose brain structure doesn't match their chromosomes is offer them treatment and support (which means allowing people to transition and not making them feel bad about it).

Nice!

Well you can say what you want about gender and that's all cool I guess. But if you are not a genetic anomaly you are either male or female. Correct?

When it comes to your biological sex, yes. I agree that you can't change that.
But there is a huge difference between gender and biological sex. Like I said, gender is based on your brain structure. Biological sex is based on your chromosomes.

Well then you cannot be a male if you are born female because male and female are the biological words to differentiate between the sexes, correct?

No, you can't be biologically male if you are born female. I literally just said that. Nobody can change their biological sex, we just don't have the technology.
But I never said anything about changing your biological sex.

But male is a biological term. So you're either male or you're not. And if you're born one that is what you are. You can identify as whatever you like. But you would still be a male because that is the biological classification of what you are.

Yes… I know that. I have said that 3 times. That doesn't change the fact that a person's brain structure can sometimes not match their biological sex. So while they might be physically/biologically male, their brain structure is female. It creates a mental illness called gender dysphoria, and the treatment is transitioning and altering their body to make it look more like the gender they identify as.
I'm really just repeating myself, now. I've already said all of this.

Gimme a sec to process.

So wait… how can a brain be female if the rest of the body is male? The brain is not a separate entity so how does that even work?

Dude, that's what makes it a brain disorder. It's not supposed to happen, obviously.
How does a brain develop schizophrenia if the rest of us is normal? Why do we have a stroke if the rest of our body is healthy? In a machine, how can only one part stop working?

Yeah but… our DNA+RNA is in literally every cell. So if you are male every brain cell is stamped with Male (along with a whole lot of other info). What do you make of that?

What I mean is it's not one piece going a little psycho. It's literally two pounds or whatever of flesh being genetically modified for some reason the rest of the body is just like "seems legit". (Except for dysphoria of course.) That's major. Compound it with all the people who say they are trans… Raises some questions.

It's a defect. It's a mental illness. That means that something went wrong. There was probably something wrong with the genes. Genetic defects do exist.

What I mean is it's not one piece going a little psycho. It's literally two pounds or whatever of flesh being genetically modified for some reason the rest of the body is just like "seems legit". (Except for dysphoria of course.) That's major. Compound it with all the people who say they are trans… Raises some questions.

I'm a bit confused about what you're trying to say here. If you're trying to say that people's brain structure shouldn't have much impact on their gender identity, that doesn't make any sense.
You're also making it seem like the brain isn't that important, and I'm sorry but that's completely wrong. All a human is, is a brain trapped in a meat suit.

It's a defect. It's a mental illness. That means that something went wrong. There was probably something wrong with the genes. Genetic defects do exist.

So first you're saying being trans is because of an illness. That's what I'm getting. Whoa.
But why are they so common now? Or have they always been? Restraining myself from asking more questions. Are some people faking it?

What I mean is it's not one piece going a little psycho. It's literally two pounds or whatever of flesh being genetically modified for some reason the rest of the body is just like "seems legit". (Except for dysphoria of course.) That's major. Compound it with all the people who say they are trans… Raises some questions.

I'm a bit confused about what you're trying to say here. If you're trying to say that people's brain structure shouldn't have much impact on their gender identity, that doesn't make any sense.
You're also making it seem like the brain isn't that important, and I'm sorry but that's completely wrong. All a human is, is a brain trapped in a meat suit.

Course the brain is important. The point of my argument is why the heck doesn't the body self destruct or something if something so important is different on the most basic fundamental thing there is? (Sex)

It's a defect. It's a mental illness. That means that something went wrong. There was probably something wrong with the genes. Genetic defects do exist.

So first you're saying being trans is because of an illness. That's what I'm getting. Whoa.
But why are they so common now? Or have they always been? Restraining myself from asking more questions. Are some people faking it?

Yes. Some people disagree, but lots and lots of research says that dysphoria (which is what makes people trans) is a mental illness. But if it wasn't a real mental illness, then most surgeons wouldn't require people to have an official diagnosis of gender dysphoria before taking hormone medication or having a gender reassignment surgery.
And it's probably more common now for 3 reasons:

• LGBT acceptance is growing, so people are becoming more comfortable and feeling safer when coming out as trans.
• Unfortunately… some people are faking it. They're making it a trend, and it's disgusting. You can't just diagnose yourself with an illness you don't have and make it seem cool, because it's not. Being trans fucking sucks. Dysphoria makes you hate your body every day, and some people who have really bad dysphoria get suicidal because they can't stand the body they have. These people are making us look like a joke. (It's also causing several people to de-transition, which is a whole different topic)
• Misinformation is being spread about being transgender, and people are misdiagnosing themselves. People who have self esteem/body image issues think they have dysphoria just because they don't like their body. Girls who are more masculine might think they're trans, and boys who are more feminine might think they're trans. Some people go as far as transitioning, and then get real dysphoria because their body doesn't match their brain structure anymore.

What I mean is it's not one piece going a little psycho. It's literally two pounds or whatever of flesh being genetically modified for some reason the rest of the body is just like "seems legit". (Except for dysphoria of course.) That's major. Compound it with all the people who say they are trans… Raises some questions.

I'm a bit confused about what you're trying to say here. If you're trying to say that people's brain structure shouldn't have much impact on their gender identity, that doesn't make any sense.
You're also making it seem like the brain isn't that important, and I'm sorry but that's completely wrong. All a human is, is a brain trapped in a meat suit.

Course the brain is important. The point of my argument is why the heck doesn't the body self destruct or something if something so important is different on the most basic fundamental thing there is? (Sex)

Why would the body self destruct? When has that ever happened?

Well I was mostly being nonspecific but if you have a thing attached to you that differs from your DNA your body will assume it is an enemy and try to destroy it. Therefore I believe your body should attack your brain if it doesn't pass the DNA test.

It's a defect. It's a mental illness. That means that something went wrong. There was probably something wrong with the genes. Genetic defects do exist.

So first you're saying being trans is because of an illness. That's what I'm getting. Whoa.
But why are they so common now? Or have they always been? Restraining myself from asking more questions. Are some people faking it?

Yes. Some people disagree, but lots and lots of research says that dysphoria (which is what makes people trans) is a mental illness. But if it wasn't a real mental illness, then most surgeons wouldn't require people to have an official diagnosis of gender dysphoria before taking hormone medication or having a gender reassignment surgery.
And it's probably more common now for 3 reasons:

• LGBT acceptance is growing, so people are becoming more comfortable and feeling safer when coming out as trans.
• Unfortunately… some people are faking it. They're making it a trend, and it's disgusting. You can't just diagnose yourself with an illness you don't have and make it seem cool, because it's not. Being trans fucking sucks. Dysphoria makes you hate your body every day, and some people who have really bad dysphoria get suicidal because they can't stand the body they have. These people are making us look like a joke. (It's also causing several people to de-transition, which is a whole different topic)
• Misinformation is being spread about being transgender, and people are misdiagnosing themselves. People who have self esteem/body image issues think they have dysphoria just because they don't like their body. Girls who are more masculine might think they're trans, and boys who are more feminine might think they're trans. Some people go as far as transitioning, and then get real dysphoria because their body doesn't match their brain structure anymore.

Does this mean people that say they are male one day and female the next are just faking? Or do you have an explanation for that?

Hmm… I guess that's a thing I should look into, then. Not sure how that works, exactly.