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Started February 11, 2019 by @SaltyLasagna

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https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr-news/solano-news/solano-business/millions-of-deaths-separate-capitalism-socialism/

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dead-1510011810

Thank you! :D

there are indeed some stupid and/or ignorant conservatives ; (The ones who support trumps every move) which aren’t even true conservatives because if they were they wouldn’t support trumps emergency declaration because we do not have an emergency at the border right now

now, do you really want to support those policies that have killed 100 million people?

I can’t blame you with our education system. If you listen to them, you’re taught that America is bad and that socialism is the future

notebook accessibility problems are getting on my nerves certain stuff I can’t even use anymore LOL

I just want to say this for Americans, whether or not it'll change your opinion.

A lot of what you are talking about/have controversies over in the country, like gun control, LGBT+ rights, socialism, abortion rights, universal healthcare etc. are standard in Europe.

Even the Democratic Party would be considered right wing over here. The stuff that Bernie Sanders said he would put in place as President, we already have. If that scares you, just look at the manifesto of the British Labour Party, our main left wing/socialist party.

(Edit: The full link for @ ahollinger if you can't access the other one: https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf. Just trying to be more accessible)

can’t even create a new discussion because every time I try voiceover jumps to the search field that’s next to where you start a discussion

Socialism ≠ Communism lmao every European knows this

can’t even create a new discussion because every time I try voiceover jumps to the search field that’s next to where you start a discussion

That's disgusting, that means you're not getting a voice. Have you talked to @andrew (Our Supreme Lord and Overseer) about this?

Socialism ≠ Communism lmao every European knows this

While I don't quite know the difference because I've never really cared until a few weeks ago, If what I've heard is correct, neither of them will ever work.

communism and socialism are very similar but no they’re not equal but you can’t have socialism without communism and you can’t have communism without socialism because they’re both the same idea

I would try to talk to him but I can’t because like I said the discussion starter thing doesn’t really work with voiceover anymore

so much stuff on the profiles that I can’t access and/or update

While I don't quite know the difference because I've never really cared until a few weeks ago, If what I've heard is correct, neither of them will ever work

you can’t have socialism without communism and you can’t have communism without socialism because they’re both the same idea

…Really? I knew the US and Europe were different when it came to politics, but you guys seriously believe that Communism is the same thing as Socialism?!

At this point there isn't anything else I can say really, except to point out again that the Democratic Party aren't actual socialists and our socialist parties are not Communist. I mean, just look at the differences in how either ideology formed and the outcomes of them.

One person said that they thought socialism and communism were the same? No need to be snippy.

I would try to talk to him but I can’t because like I said the discussion starter thing doesn’t really work with voiceover anymore

Would PM work? He should put in a way to revert back to the old design, like with a different URL. I could start a discussion for you if you want, is there anything I can do to help?

if they aren’t socialists, then why are they calling for radical socialist policies that would eventually end up destroying this country as it did every other country that stupidly tried the idea

One person said that they thought socialism and communism were the same? No need to be snippy.

It was 2 people and I've noticed anecdotally that this is a common misconception in the US.
I guess I was being a bit rude though. I should really leave this thread

at the moment there’s really nothing you can do. It should be up to him to fix this mess because there should be a commitment to making everything accessible to as many people as possible

One person said that they thought socialism and communism were the same? No need to be snippy.

It was 2 people and I've noticed anecdotally that this is a common misconception in the US.
I guess I was being a bit rude though. I should really leave this thread

You don't need to leave, but your phrasing came off as kind of rude. We just covered communism vs socialism vs capitalism in class so we're taught that they're not the same.

if they aren’t socialists, then why are they calling for radical socialist policies that would eventually end up destroying this country as it did every other country that stupidly tried the idea

I said why before. Again, a lot of proposed ideas like universal healthcare, reforming building does, certain action against climate change etc. is already in Europe.
I'm not going to say anything else on this because we're clearly on two different cultural lines here.

You don't need to leave, but your phrasing came off as kind of rude. We just covered communism vs socialism vs capitalism in class so we're taught that they're not the same.

Mhm. British-American relations aren't that great at the moment so more people are mocking the US more than usual over here. Some of it probably rubbed off onto me. I said on the previous page that I was likely going to leave 'in a while' because this thread isn't making me happy, it wasn't because of your response.

It should be up to him to fix this mess because there should be a commitment to making everything accessible to as many people as possible

Definitely. Maybe we should all post in the suggestion thread to get him to notice the issue more (But only if you were fine with that, I want to help in some way as a fellow disabled person)

Technically, I’m not even supposed to know about the existence of politics for another year. My mom kinda shelters me from this stuff, so at the moment Notebook is my only source of information other than Incognito tabs, which I try to avoid because they’re sketchy as heck. So if anyone wants to educate me on the difference, I’m willing to listen.

I posted this link earlier on the page:

https://www.thoughtco.com/difference-between-communism-and-socialism-195448

The article is titled 'The Differences Between Communism and Socialism'. It looks at:

• The origin of Communism
• The ideals of Communism and Socialism compared side by side (Private property, religion, workers etc.)
• How Communism or Socialism have affected the countries where they were put in place

Hope this helps!

I posted this link earlier on the page:

https://www.thoughtco.com/difference-between-communism-and-socialism-195448

The article is titled 'The Differences Between Communism and Socialism'. It looks at:

• The origin of Communism
• The ideals of Communism and Socialism compared side by side (Private property, religion, workers etc.)
• How Communism or Socialism have affected the countries where they were put in place

Hope this helps!

Thank you! I'll read through that.

I read the article, I can see the difference, but I still don't think either socialism or communism are the best ideas. (For this country, at least. Maybe I'm wrong though)

exactly