forum How dark is too dark?
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@LittleBear group

So my story is already pretty dark, the main character is pretty cavalier about killing people that she sees as a threat to herself and those that she loves… and the villains, they're even worse. Eight characters have already been murdered… three of them main characters.

But recently, pretty ever since I visited a concentration camp, I have been think about the horrors of prisoner of war, work, internment, and concentration camps. And overwhelmingly, I know that that was a missing piece of my story. But I'm so scared of missing the mark and making it irreverent - when all I want to do is call attention to the awful parts of our human history. Looking for some guidance here.

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maybe if you're going to include something so tragic, make sure you elaborate on how terrible and just downright horrible it is. also a good way to delvelop characters!

@LittleBear group

So herein lies the problem, if I include it then my story will have an embedded level of social commentary because the description are going to be incredibly visceral. Like the scene I am imagining is my main character and her brother coming across a camp and seeing/ smelling/ hearing the torture, illness, death, sewage - etc. and him restraining her from going down and killing all of the guards in anger (because they're in hiding and doing so would let the enemy know where they are). I just don't want to lose my audience.

@Penstorm

Well, the scary thing (besides the horrible things that did happen in the concentration camps) is the fact that the guards BELIEVED what they were doing and completely separated themselves from it. What they were doing had nothing to do with people but the enemy and the enemy is not human, does not deserve to be human. If your character believes in the things they are doing it makes it more believable and the readers won't think that you are writing gore just to write. Your character can show a lack of respect for those things but I think its all about the reasons why.
Not sure if you've seen Game of Thrones, but that can be kinda gory but they all have their reasons/goals for committing their atrocities.
Also, if you writing POV could help out - is it the girl that likes killing; her brother that shows restraint; an omniscient character that knows all…

@ninja_violinist

I guess one thing to make sure of is that the darkness actually adds to the plot. I understand wanting to have lots of social commentary in a story (heaven knows I wrote a lot of dark stuff after my first visit to a concentration camp) and that's absolutely fine but it shouldn't overshadow the plot. Does that make any sense at all? Like, if the characters have a logical reason to be where they are then absolutely show us what's happening and how they react to it. But it's another thing to cram a scene/concept/theme or whatever into a story when it doesn't really serve the story you're telling - you're likely to lose your readers when your social commentary/dark aspects stick out and seem out of place.
TL;DR it's enriching and worthwhile if you make it subtle and if it meshes well with the rest of the story and tone, but if it obviously sticks out or if it seems like you're just piling on the misery without a point, then you'd be more likely to turn off your readers.
Darkness and social commentary have their place, but only as a smaller part of a fully functioning interconnected whole.
~of course this is just my personal opinion as a reader which should definitely be taken with a grain of salt~

@mckapo

you can never be too dark!!!!
well i mean… unless it involves rape, killing children, abusive sexual scenes.
those are a no for me, i wont read those nor write them.
so i guess there is a point where it's too dark depending on your personal preference.. but eh people still read the above.

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I think I read a piece of writing advice somewhere in which someone said "don't always write about the murder of the children, write about the abandoned burnt socks on the sidewalk". If you feel it gets too dark, maybe allow the reader (or even maybe characters?) to reflect/think about the actions? Don't just pile on death and destruction - have moments when as a reader we can recover and see the outcomes unless of course the point is your main character feels nothing for the people she kills, but also try and get this point across without being ,like, straightforwardly "I don't care."
I don't know if that makes sense or even helps but I understand your problem :) Good luck with your writing!

@LittleBear group

Thank you all so much, once I actually write the scene I think I might put it here and if y'all are feeling up to it, if you guys could comment.

@LittleBear group

Not the scene I was intending…. but I'm just going to slip this here.

Erion -

“The subject is Halis Onrin, he will be in his residence in the Selian district,” Maious said as he handed me a slip of parchment.

If my memory of Canise served correct, the Selian district was the richest, other than the Palace of course.

“What has he done?” I asked.

“Not a concern of yours,” he said, dismissing me.

Knowing better than to protest, I left the room. But I stayed close to the door, straining to hear as best I could.

“Keep your eye on that one, Anions. We never should have taken an Uradavi in,” Maious said to my handler. “His conscious will be the end of us. If he has anything of his mother, then his will is unbreakable.”

“The boy asks a good question, I myself am curious,” Anions said.

“Smuggler. The King wants his wares, a poison of some kind, off the streets,” Maious answered. “The assignment should be easy enough, he will be alone.”

Satisfied, I put space between myself and the door. The risk of a beating was not worth the extra gossip. He is a drug lord, a thief, a liar; the King has ordered his death. This is no different from a soldier obeying orders. I told myself. This was not murder.

((I’ll write them riding though the city later, too lazy to do it now))

We tied up our mounts a little ways away and Anions turned to me “Quickly, quietly, and the house burns after us. No traces. Understand?”

I nodded.

The only sound was the whisper of wind though the date palms. Nothing was awake apart from Anions and I, even the crickets were no longer playing their song. The grand house was one of many, all stark and beautiful against the vast desert sky. And most importantly a second story window was open.

He glanced around and nodded to me. Quickly, we made our way to the wall, I gave him a boost, and he disappeared into the house. A moment later the end of his whip fell down the wall. Just as we had practiced so many times before, I wrapped my hand around it and walked up the wall.

“Do not touch anything,” he breathed as I clamored into the room. An office, by how it was furnished

“I am not an imbecil,” I muttered to myself as he made his way deeper into the house, his footfalls barely a whisper. I slipped after him.

We made our way through the house. At every turn I could not help but wonder at splendors that were here and how they differed from the opulence of home. There were lush rugs, inlaid with golden scenes instead of tapestries and painted porcelain instead of crystal vases. The home smelled faintly of incense, snuffed out hours ago.

We finally came to a set of double doors, and as was the usual for Lianian architecture, they led to the bedroom. Anions motioned me forward with one hand and slowly opened the door with the other.

I drew my dagger, took a deep breath, and slipped through. A large bed took up most of the room, just as expensively decorated as the rest of the house. There was only a large Lianian man who was snoring soundly, his barrel of a chest rising and falling. I crept up next to him and looked down at his face, obscured by a well-groomed black beard.

“I am sorry,” I breathed. He is a drug lord, a thief, a liar; the King has ordered his death. This is no different from a soldier obeying orders. I told myself again. This had become my mantra.

I dragged my knife across his throat – quickly, cleanly, and through both arteries, just as I had practiced on the pigs. His eyes flew open and his snores were replaced with the gurgle of blood in his newly ruined throat.

I stumbled away from him and scrambled back through the door.

The moment I came through the door, Anions grabbed my collar and forced me to look at him. “Breathe boy. You have done well, but the job is not over.”

I nodded and we each went to a lamp and poured the oil out onto the floor, darkening the beautiful carpets. Simultaneously we lit our matches and let them fall. The light that followed blinded me for a moment and all I could see was the dark liquid flowing from his neck. The way it shined in the moonlight was seared into my memory.

“Come,” he said and pulled me back the way we had come, out the office window and towards our mounts. When we finally turned to look at the house, it was engulfed in flames.

“You did well. But it is time to return,” Anions said and for a moment I felt a spark of pride. A spark that I immediately squashed down, for it was pride that threatened to rot my insides.

I was about to reply when I heard a scream and then a crying babe shortly after.

No.

Before I could process what was going on, I was running back to the house. I did not get far.

“There is nothing you can do now. What is done is done!” Anion had my forearm in a vise.

“There is a babe in there! You said he would be alone!” I roared.

“Sometimes the intelligence is wrong. You did not verify,” he said matter-of-factly, as if we had not just condemned the life of an innocent.

“May Rionel have at you,” I cursed as I drew my sword and smashed the pommel into his face. It was if Lehion himself was guiding my hand, for Anion crumpled immediately.

I did not bother with the window again; instead, I went for the entrance. I tore off my headscarf and held it to my mouth before I put but my boot through the grand window. The smoke that billowed out stung my eyes and burned my throat. With a last prayer to Lehion, I stepped into the inferno.

“Where are you?” I yelled over the roar of the flames and the groaning of the house. What had seemed grand only minutes ago had transformed into a hells cape. “Where -” I was racked with a coughing fit.

“Help!” the voice called, clearly feminine, just loud enough to be heard over the cacophony.

“Keep yelling!” I shouted and followed the voice through the house.

Suddenly, an almighty groan rose above the rest. I looked up and saw a beam bow and then break. Luckily, I leapt forward just in time to escape its crushing blow. Plaster rained down around me and added to my urgency. After what seemed like an eternity, I came to the woman’s door. A burning armoire had fallen in front of the door

“I am here. Hold on!” I yelled. “Move away from the door!” I bit into my headscarf and used both hands to lift my sword high over my head. I do not know if the fire had just weakened the wood or if it was the adrenaline coursing through my veins, but I made short work of the armoire. I shoved the pieces and the blankets that it held aside and grabbed the door handle. White-hot pain screamed up my hand before I could realize my mistake.

Cursing, I grabbed my headscarf again then grabbed the handle and pulled.

The woman was crouched in the farthest corner of the room, a nursery. She curled around her child, trying to keep him from the smoke that swirling all around her. When she saw me, she lept to her feet and rushed forward. She was barefoot.

I sheathed my sword and grabbed her.

“No!” She screamed, terrified. It was then that I realized that she was only in a thin shift.

“You are barefoot, I will have to carry you,” I croaked. “Here take this,” I said as I handed her my headscarf.

She nodded slowly, I swept her into my arms, and I stumbled back through the house.

“Go through the back,” she said. “It is much closer.” And she guided me through the blaze.

When we finally came to the back door, the world was beginning to spin and my entire body was shaking. “Hold on” I wheezed and I kicked the door open.

We spilled into back yard and clean air flooded my lungs. My stomach heaved and I vomited black sludge into the grass. We laid there for a moment, with the sound of the dying house taking over the night.

“Thank you,” she whispered, “I do not even know you and you saved us. How can I ever repay you?” Her words were worse than the raging fire.

“Forget that I was here,” I said as I picked up my headscarf rewrapped my head. “Tell everyone that you got out yourself.”

“But -” she objected.

I was already walking away from her, towards the back gate. I had to face the Anion’s wrath. I skirted the edge of the property and slowly made my way back to where I had left him. But he was not there. Cursing, I started towards the horses. I had not made it five paces before someone appeared behind me and wrapped his arm around my throat. Instantly spots danced in my vision. I slammed my fists at his arm, but the effort was feeble. My strength was gone.
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Hot.

That was the first thing I noticed. The heat was oppressive. I could not tell if the wetness on my face was sweat or tears. The salt burned my eyes and my parched throat screamed at me for water. I tried to wipe my face, which was when I realized how truly, deeply wrong things were. I was in stocks and there was a roaring fire in a hearth not ten feet away. “Let me out!” I tried to scream, but my throat was too dry, instead it was a harsh and guttural sound.

There was a gust of cool air as the door opened and the Spy Master strode in, a bucket in one hand, cane in the other. “Ah, the princeling awakes,” he purred as he rapped my chin with his cane.

Without thinking, I lunged forward, causing the stocks to jerk.

“And yet still so hostile,” he tutted and crouched so that he was level with me. “You do not understand, your dear mother has given me all the license in the world. We will break you Uradavi; keep you dancing between life and death until you learn.” Then he threw the bucket’s contents at me. Cool and beautiful water.

“Three hours more. Then I want him in the throne room,” he said as he left. “Call all the apprentices in. I want the consorts too. Bring –” and the door closed, chasing out all the cool air.

I think I made it another 30 minutes before passing out again.
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This time, the air was mercifully cool. But, I could tell that I was not alone. There was the gentle hum of a confused crowd. This time took full stock of my position before I opened my eyes. I was not wearing a shirt, I was bent over on something curved and soft, and my feet were solidly on the ground. Most importantly, my wrists were tied down.

I opened my eyes and immediately wished I had not. I was indeed surrounded by a crowd. Everyone was in the throne room. All the other apprentices, instructors, and guards were watching me. Even the courtesans were here. Instantly I knew what was coming.

“There he is! Let us begin then!” He said, his voice like a like velvet. Gods, he was going to paint it as entertainment. “Thank you so much for joining us today for the trail of Janon Hane”

“His crimes include questioning orders, disobeying orders, reckless endangerment of mission, reckless endangerment of self, attacking a handler, and endangerment of identity. Thus – ”

“The babe would have burned to death!” I squawked. My throat burned in protest.

“Oh, let us add interrupting me to the list! I will be merciful – five lashes for each infraction. That brings us to,” purred as he mimed counting on his fingers, “thirty-five. Anions, you do the honors.”

The crowd fell completely silent and I knew that all my gods had left me. There was no getting out of this.

It felt as if the air had turned to molasses. Each of Anions’ footfalls took an eternity and the pounding of my heart drowned out everything else. He came and tightened my bonds, his face drawn and almost remorseful. “Forgive me.”

I focused on the Spy Master, lounging in his throne, grit my teeth and grip the bonds. There is a crack and instantaneously I feel a blinding pain across my flesh. I jerk but do not make a sound. I will not give him the satisfaction.

My mind goes to another place. A place where I cannot feel the skin curling off my back or the blood dribbling onto the floor. A place where I can repeatedly punch the Spy Master in his teeth. I do not take my eyes from him. I pull all my strength from my hatred of him and I draw joy when he straightens in his throne. He wants to hear me call out. He wants to hear me break. I will die before I break.

“Stop!” He barks after the tenth lash and the tension leaves my body. “Bring his partner.”

My heart drops.

“Unhand me!” her pretty voice shouts. “I have done nothing wrong.”

Two guards come through the crowd, a blond twisting, and thrashing in their grip. Her hair is disheveled, she is still in her dressing gown, and it looks like there is a hand print blooming across her face. They bring her directly in front of me and I can see that it is unmistakably Sela.

“Janon, my God,” she cries, “What have they done to you? What is going on? I am so scared.”

“If you will not cry out for me, perhaps you will do so for her,” the Spy Master growls.

He would not dare. To mar a courtesan would be the same as condemning her to death. No man, no matter how pretty the face, would deign to let an imperfect courtesan warm his bed. He would lose all that he had paid for her and she would have to take to the streets.

“So be it. She will take your remaining twenty-five.” His grin brings bile to my throat.

“What? No! Please, master! Please!” Sela screams, dropping to her knees.

He is bluffing.

I make no move. No sound.

“Oh, you do not believe me!” His smile has turned predatory.

He storms down from his throne and grabs on of the guard’s whips. He is bluffing.

I watch in horror as he draws it back and it snaps across her back. The sound seems to reverberate across the room, louder than the others were. With a cry, she falls forward and I can see that her gown is torn and already blood is flowing from her back. What have I done?

The Spy Master raises his hand again and he has won.

“No!” I roar.

There is no pride left to fight for.

“Stop. Please,” I said. “Have mercy.”

Triumphantly, he lowers his hand and calls out, “proceed, Anions.”

Again, the whip whistles through the air and it cracks across my back. And I scream. I scream like an animal in the throes of death. My pour, parched
throat cracks from the force. The pain comes in waves. It is relentless.

My vision swims and Sela blurs away.

Soon, it is too much to exclaim. All that escapes are pitiful whimpers. Then the cool fingers of darkness drag me under and I feel nothing at all.
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An unholy moaning fills the room and crashes in my ears, like a tempest’s waves on the shore. Put the poor man out of his misery I want to say, but then it dawns on me. I am the man. I am the moaning. My mind is heavy, stuffed with cotton. But I feel nothing.

She appears like an angel and puts a cool hand on my forehead. “Shh,” she soothes me. “I am so sorry, Erion, I am so sorry.”

Why? Why is she sorry? “No…” The words are hard to form. “I have killed you.”

She sobbed and covered her mouth.

“No, no,” she choked. “I am so sorry, Erion. It was all fake. Every moment of it. They found me before and threatened – they said they were going to kill you if I did not act out the scene.”

I did not understand. There was blood. Her gown ripped. “They ruined you.”

She shakes her head. “It was paint. It was pageantry. The dress was already torn when they brought me to you. When I heard the sound, I was supposed to fall forward and pretend.”

Her words are confusing and it grows harder to muddle through them. She fades away just as she appeared. Maybe she is a dream.


The first thing I see is my bandaged hand. It smells strongly of something sharp that irritates my nose. With my good hand, I try to push myself up and suddenly I am on fire. There is nothing but pain. My world is pain and the air is filled with cries.

“No! Do not move!” And suddenly Anions is here. He guides me back down and forces something into my mouth. “Swallow boy.”

Hopefully, he has come to finish me off.

Darkness comes again and I greet it happily.
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I can feel his eyes on me. He is sitting on the floor, leaning on the far wall.
“I had no idea what they would do to you,” he murmured. “I am sorry Erion, what you did today, I respect you for it. None of us here would have done that.”
As I fell asleep again, I could not help but think that that was the first time he used my true name.
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((Back in Estonie, much later on in the book))

Finally, there was a knock at the door. If it was not so worrying that Delpe was so late, I would be cross.

“Enter,” I called as I selected a shirt from my office bureau. “Where have you been, I expected your…”

The person at the door was not Delpe. It was Eline.

I yanked the shirt on and cursed.

“Erion, your back…” She was as white as a sheet and her hand was as her throat. “What happened to your back?” she asked as she stepped forward.

“Nothing.” My mind was racing.

“Those are not from sparring or battle. These are whipping scars. What happened over there?” She reached out to me.

“I said –”

“Do not lie to me. I know what I am seeing,” she whispered.

I could not do this. No one could know. “No,” I said and pushed past her. I could not be here.
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Someone knocked furiously at my door and within seconds, I had my dagger in hand.

I wrenched it open and found Eline standing there. With a heavy sigh, I tucked my dagger into my trousers. “Eline, what are you doing here? If someone sees you here the scandal –”

“Fie on scandal, I care about you more than the prattle of gossipmongers,” she spat. “What happened? I will stand here all through the night if I have to.”

“Do not do this to Solin. You cannot be here,” I begged, willing Loun to give me patience.

“If he knew, he would be here as well. Let me in. You have nothing to bargain with.” She crossed her arms and glared at me.

I let her in. There was no use.